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Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by duxup on Thursday November 02, 2023 @08:46PM (#38122782)
I was on a jury recently. Deliberations began after closing statements Friday morning.

First thing we all agreed we would not be coming back on Monday…

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by garciasn on Thursday November 02, 2023 @08:53PM (#38122859)
As long as it was clear a decision could be made in time, fine.

But, frankly, if I were on trial by a jury of my peers, I’d appreciate it if people took their time.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by duxup on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:06PM (#38122971)
In our case it was a civil trial and effectively we were just picking $ amount to pay out.

It also turned out that we were all mostly on the same page.

Criminal stuff i certainly would have not agreed.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by ipaddr on Thursday November 02, 2023 @08:56PM (#38122893)
I was on a jury. We pushed it a little longer to get it to that last free lunch and make it long enough not to go back in the jury pool.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by crossroadsguy on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:04PM (#38122959)
Is the lunch nice? Do you get paid as well? What kind of hotels are you all kept in? Is it like in those Hollywood films? How common are things like jury tempering? Do you all have sufficient protection?
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by tomku on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:39PM (#38123278)
I served on a jury fairly recently, and it was a much more mundane thing than anything you'd see in a Hollywood film. Whole thing took 10 hours start to finish. Got picked from the pool, had the case presented by the prosecutor, heard witness testimony, the defense attorney made his case mostly by questioning the prosecution's witnesses, closing statements, deliberated very briefly (it was not a complex case) and delivered the verdict and went home. We were paid about $40 for the day plus travel mileage, and lunch was ordered off a menu and delivered to our deliberation room, presumably from the courthouse cafeteria. The food was actually pretty good.

The high-profile cases like SBF's are a tiny fraction of jury trials in the US, most trials have no significant risk of jury tampering and the jury is not sequestered, meaning that if we had needed more time for deliberation, we would have just gone home for the evening and shown up at the courthouse the next day. We did have our phones collected at the start of the day and returned at the end, which seemed like a reasonable precaution against both "independent research" and distractions/interruptions, and would have also made jury tampering somewhat more difficult if anyone was so inclined.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by datadrivenangel on Thursday November 02, 2023 @11:14PM (#38124008)
y'all got lunch? We have to bring our own.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by ipaddr on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:29PM (#38123169)
You were in the jury pool for a week. You could serve on multiple cases if they were short enough. If you were picked for a case and it went on over a week you got paid. Some trials require a hotel stay but the chances of getting on one is rare.

The lunches were sandwiches from the vending machine. Two choice ham and without meat. They were good I can taste the salt on the ham as I write this.

The conversations within the jury are like tv. Immediately you have a few who think anyone on trial is guilty. You have a smaller group who want to find reasons they may not. At some point someone will accuse that group of being part of the criminal conspiracy. Friends and enemies are formed. Promises and deals were made but all disappears after the verdict (someone offered me a job and ghosted later).

Protections? I had a job offer to start that week that I lost because I couldn't start. No police protections.

The actual trial is very boring. Police reading notes. Long winded questions without any tv drama.

Worthwhile as an experience.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by p1necone on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:14PM (#38123036)
(not in the USA, I assume it varies wildly by country). Here you get takeout from one of a few regular locations near the courtroom.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by gnicholas on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:20PM (#38123091)
Free lunch? Where is this? I've served in CA and have never heard of such a thing!
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by heyoni on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:38PM (#38123263)
There’s a show about a jury in California where they buy lunch every day. Jury duty
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by gnicholas on Thursday November 02, 2023 @10:26PM (#38123643)
Oh yeah, I watched an episode or two of that. Of course, it's not actual jury duty — it's all fake. I assumed that food was provided because that keeps them all together, for filming purposes. When I served, people split up at lunchtime and went to various different restaurants.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by heyoni on Thursday November 02, 2023 @10:57PM (#38123886)
Yea I think it depends on which county you're in and the case as well. These guys had their hotels paid for by the end of it because they had to be sequestered.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by duxup on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:06PM (#38122976)
Yeah we got free lunch, ordered it that morning. Good stuff, from a nice deli.

In our case if you reached a verdict you were done serving so no need to drag it out.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by JohnFen on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:54PM (#38123390)
Lucky you! We were not fed, except for the donuts and coffee in the waiting room. We were allowed to leave at mealtimes and get our own food.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by ryandrake on Thursday November 02, 2023 @08:56PM (#38122894)
> First thing we all agreed we would not be coming back on Monday…

Kind of scary that this is the rigor our justice system hinges on.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by duxup on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:38PM (#38123261)
It was a pretty boring civil case. I suspect we were just deciding how much one insurance company was paying the other…

It was also a pretty one sided case.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by romanhn on Thursday November 02, 2023 @10:07PM (#38123497)
Yep, the system is predicated on the decisions of a group that doesn't want to be there, but couldn't figure out a way to get out of it.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by duxup on Friday November 03, 2023 @08:53AM (#38127961)
I found it is crazy hard to get out of jury duty, but also that everyone took their job seriously when they trial started.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by thanksgiving on Saturday November 04, 2023 @02:47AM (#38138734)
> Kind of scary that this is the rigor our justice system hinges on.

That’s not the scary part. The scary and eye opening part is that an obviously frivolous lawsuit against can bankrupt you.

There is a YouTuber with h3h3 productions and he got hit with a lawsuit and it cost them USD 50k + USD 170k, at least. Maybe chump change if you’re a billionaire but I’d lose by default if you were to sue me.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by pdmccormick on Thursday November 02, 2023 @08:59PM (#38122928)
Was it a slam dunk case for a prosecution, or obviously reasonable doubt?
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by duxup on Thursday November 02, 2023 @09:08PM (#38122989)
Civil case and we found were all on the same page pretty fast. It was a pretty one sided case.