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Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by applied_heat on Thursday October 26, 2023 @03:58PM (#38030955)
Bank of New Zealand and Canadian government both issue a 4x4 grid of three character codes and ask for some of them when I login to online services, this proves the “something I physically have” component of the authentication. I have the grid either on a card or printed off. I like that it doesn’t depend on a phone.
Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by velcrovan on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:09PM (#38031072)
Unfortunately the thing they gave you is static and easily reproducible. If infinitely many copies can be made by someone snapping a photo, then the "something you physically have" is no more secure than a second password you have written on a piece of paper.
Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by applied_heat on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:31PM (#38031953)
If someone breaks in to the locked filing cabinet in my house I have bigger problems than 1 factor being compromised
Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by pid-1 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:20PM (#38031203)
I've seen some investment banks provide a small device that looks like a calculator and generate MFA codes. Not sure what they are called.
Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by fergbrain on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:34PM (#38031362)
Barclays calls it a PINsentry card reader
Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by wlesieutre on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:27PM (#38031291)
RSA SecurID tokens?
Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by TacticalCoder on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:23PM (#38031879)
> I've seen some investment banks provide a small device that looks like a calculator and generate MFA codes. Not sure what they are called.

They're more than MFA codes though: they're actually performing cryptographic challenge/response.

I mean: the RSA tokens just generate a MFA code. But the bank "card readers", whether they actually read a card or not, do perform challenge/response.

I've got several banks using the same type of card reader: I put my bank card in and respond to a challenge: I enter the digits that the card reader shows me and I can log in.

I've got another bank which provided me a reader: it's not a card reader as its standalone (I don't need any bank card to use it) but it still perform challenge/response.

For example for any wire tx to a new recipient or above a certain amount, I need to enter the amount and part of the recipient's bank account number and sign the transaction.

It's more than just authentication.

Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by bozhark on Thursday October 26, 2023 @05:26PM (#38031907)
Cold wallet
Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by doubled112 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:10PM (#38031081)
Meanwhile, I put the grid in my password manager because I'll never find that paper.

Defeats the purpose? Only kind of.

Re:Synology MFA Fails if Internet is down by rspoerri on Friday October 27, 2023 @04:01AM (#38035874)
I got a list of codes when i opened my first online bank account in the early 2000's.

In between there was a special key-generator given to each customer, that was abandoned about 10 years ago. (edit: it was the RSA SecurID's mentioned in this thread)

Since then we've got apps that need to be activated using a letter with a special qr-code, as well as the bank account-number (username) & password another qr-code from the website. I assume it generates a private key in the app which will not be transferred to a new device (but maybe somehow is). You need to login using your account-number (username) and password, after that you have to open the app (login with face-scan) scan a qr-code and enter the generated code.

Getting a printed out card or page with something on it to verify your identity seems like 20 years tech to me.