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Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by shortrounddev2 on Thursday October 26, 2023 @11:55AM (#38027352)
If it's means tested, what about this is guaranteed income? This just sounds like welfare
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by bombcar on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:28PM (#38027933)
Some programs are means tested at the beginning, and then you "can't lose it" - iirc Calgrants are/were this way. If you qualified, you qualified, and then you wouldn't lose it during your 4 year college stay even if your situation changed.

Doing these types of programs can avoid the "welfare gap" where there's a period where earning more to try to get off welfare actually hurts you - this will occur if you're getting a $X benefit that goes to $0 when your income increases above a certain level.

Much better to have it taper off in such a way that you never lose more than $1 for earning another dollar.

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by dragonwriter on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:10PM (#38027637)
“guaranteed income” or “guaranteed minimum income” is not “unconditional basic income”; the former is often a name for a means-tested program tha provides an income floor, but not necessarily a boost beyond that floor.

OTOH, nothing in the article or the linked article I checked suggests this is means tested, its background tested (currebt foster youth originally, former foster youth for the new expansion), self-selected (application required), and randomly selected from the eligible applicants.

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by mytailorisrich on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:06PM (#38027575)
Depends on whether your definition of "guaranteed income" is "unconditional payment" or "guarantee that your income will never fall below x amount".

IMO, the former does not make sense while the latter is more sensible and indeed a type of welfare.

Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by rtkwe on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:08PM (#38027601)
It's a UBI that interfaces with our current system and limited budgets.
Re:LA County's guaranteed income program to give some foster... by candiddevmike on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:11PM (#38027641)
I thought the U in UBI stands for Universal?