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Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by strgcmc on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:56AM (#38026421)
Essentially this same sentiment, applies to any number of things:

- Why would anyone buy the Framework laptop, they don't have nearly the support/pedigree that Dell, HP, etc. has?

- Why would anyone use iPhones in the enterprise/IT world, they don't have nearly the support/pedigree that Blackberry, Microsoft, etc. has?

- Why would anyone use Google Fiber, they don't have nearly the network or support that AT&T, Spectrum, etc. has?

- Why would anyone ever use Linux (in enterprise, let's say), compared to the support and adoption that Microsoft/Windows offers?

- ...

I'm purposely picking different examples with varying degrees of success or adoption. I am not claiming that Oxide will be an instant category-dominating success. I don't think Oxide expects to replace HP/Cisco/Dell/etc. overnight, and I don't think a business has to launch with that ambition from the start, to prove that it's worth launching.

But this take is so repetitive as to be bordering on cliche -- I don't know if you're self-aware enough to realize, you are literally just a living embodiment of the "Innovator's Dilemma" right now...

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by endisneigh on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:03PM (#38031007)
Your examples are strange.

Framework is niche.

iPhones do have the pedigree.

Google Fiber is barely used.

Most folks do use a supported Linux distribution, they don’t roll their own.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by leetrout on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:14PM (#38031128)
> iPhones do have the pedigree

Not in 2007-2008 which is equivalent to Oxide today.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by endisneigh on Thursday October 26, 2023 @04:24PM (#38031269)
Apple was an incredibly well established company and the initial iPhone was not used in enterprise… it didn’t really start to take off there until iPhone 4 (2010-2011).

Not to mention the comparison is inane to begin with. Using an iPhone for your enterprise and moving your tech infra to a relatively unknown company are not equivalent at all.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by mixmastamyk on Thursday October 26, 2023 @10:09PM (#38033892)
You must have missed the "beleaguered" era.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by slikrick on Friday October 27, 2023 @08:46AM (#38037719)
it's so funny to me that you're harping on this analogy when it's clear you are so stubborn you won't accept anyone else's answer anyways.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by mfer on Thursday October 26, 2023 @06:11PM (#38032359)
iPhones became popular through the bring your own device movement. You aren’t going to see that with racks in a data center
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by FullyFunctional on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:29PM (#38041376)
It think it was the other way around. The success of the iPhone (and Android) was a large factor behind the BYD movement.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by uecc on Thursday October 26, 2023 @07:40PM (#38033060)
iPhone was truly transformative.

This just seems like a twist on hyper-converged infrastructure + open source.

I mean, I love their design. I just don’t think it’s special enough to warrant mass adoption. And I certainly wouldn’t be deploying at scale in an enterprise environment with zero widespread adoption.

Small entities will just use cloud same as always. Large companies have a multitude of unique needs that won’t all be catered for by a single box. The big vendors will clean up on that front as usual.

Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by simonebrunozzi on Friday October 27, 2023 @06:07AM (#38036626)
They were not immediately adopted by enterprise customers, in fact. It took years for that.
Re:Oxide: The Cloud Computer by sanderjd on Friday October 27, 2023 @05:51PM (#38044483)
> Framework is niche.

"Niche" is not a dirty word. Framework is niche, but if they can make their cost structure work (which I have no idea whether or not they can), that's ok. New products don't need to dominate their market in order to be succesful.

(But I do agree that Google Fiber is a bad example / a good example of a new product in an established market not working.)