My Siemens oven wanted an Internet connection on first power up.

I fired off an E-mail to Siemens, stating that there was ONE feature which could tempt me into granting it access: NTP support.

Much to my surprise, I got an enthusiastic reply from an engineer stating that this would be rolled out in a future firmware update.

Fingers crossed.

thinking of internet of things - I would expect ntp was top on the to do list for anything wanting to be on that.

I would assume that it usually IS a feature on the top of a list... but then they actually start to work on it, and a new fresh set of young developers get exposed to the nightmarish clusterfuck that is datetimes and networking, and then it eventually gets rejected.

this implies that at some point NTP won't be implemented anywhere because the fresh sets of young developers are too delicate to handle the problems of various older technologies that everything depends on?

Windows, after 30 years and billions of development dollars, couldn't make ntp work. I still must set time manually once a month.

I set up a second private network on my router for iot devices. On a but on a whim.. I don't know how private but its something

A while back I got an Amazon branded microwave w/ Alexa integration. I bought it because it was one of the few I could find in the form factor I wanted, and used the novelty factor to break the tie. The voice activation is useless, but the one thing I love about it is that when the power blinks out it'll get the time from the nearby Alexa & set itself. No more blinking.

> My Siemens oven wanted an Internet connection on first power up.

I hadn't thought of that. I'll add that to my list of reasons why I will not buy an appliance that wants to connect to a network.

Not to mention having to update the time every DST transition otherwise you have a wrong clock which is worst than no clock at all.

I usually set such clocks to some random time that's so off you would never mistake it for the real thing.

I tend to set non-TZ-aware/non-NTP clocks to UTC.

I do this as well. It works well for me.