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Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by jjoonathan on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:59PM (#38007858)
> Google suggests lots of Tesla+cyclist+dead but with Tesla claiming it's all fine and not their fault, which isn't immediately persuasive.

With human drivers -- are we blaming Tesla for those too?

You do you, but I'm here to learn about FSD. It looks like there was a public incident where FSD lunged at a cyclist. See, that's what I'm interested in, and that's why I asked if anyone knew about disengagement stats.

Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by JonChesterfield on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @09:11PM (#38007923)
It appears that the clever trick is to have the automated system make choices that would be commercially unfortunate - such as killing the cyclist - but to hand control back to the human driver just before the event occurs. Thus Tesla are not at fault. I feel ok with blaming Tesla for that, yeah.
Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by jjoonathan on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:46PM (#38008561)
Is that real? I've heard it widely repeated but the NHTSA definitions very strongly suggest that this loophole doesn't actually exist:

> https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/ffdd/sgo-2021-01/SGO-2021-01_Da...

The Reporting Entity’s report of the highest- level driving automation system engaged at any time during the period 30 seconds immediately prior to the commencement of the crash through the conclusion of the crash. Possible values: ADAS, ADS, “Unknown, see Narrative.”

Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:00PM (#38008651)
"It appears" according to what?

Stuff people made up is a bad reason to blame a company.

Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by heavyset_go on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @06:43AM (#38011366)
From here[1]:

> The new data set stems from a federal order last summer requiring automakers to report crashes involving driver assistance to assess whether the technology presented safety risks. Tesla‘s vehicles have been found to shut off the advanced driver-assistance system, Autopilot, around one second before impact, according to the regulators.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/15/tesla-a...

Re:California suspends GM Cruise's autonomous vehicle deploy... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @06:59AM (#38011474)
You also need to cite them using that as a way to attempt to avoid fault.

Especially because the first sentence you quoted strongly suggests they do get counted.