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Re:Good times create weak men by dogleash on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:06AM (#38000227)
> On the one hand, yes, at this point "that's not true Agile" is starting to sound like a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Always has been. There's nothing wrong with the manifesto as some food for thought. But the moment people started calling their development process "agile" we were all fucked. It became a brand.

The core con of agile is that there is something under the covers as long as we push beyond doing it wrong.

There is no there there.

The manifesto says: Along all the dimensions that exist in software development, here four dimensions where the common practice in 2001 are wrong. Any other meaning is invented while interpreting scripture.

Re:Good times create weak men by argiopetech on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:16AM (#38000363)
For what it's worth, the "Twelve Principles" document [0] is both more explicit and constraining. As you say, though, it is a framework for change (a goal to be incrementally approached), not a brand.

[0] https://agilemanifesto.org/principles.html

Re:Good times create weak men by agentultra on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:28AM (#38000518)
> Any other meaning is invented while interpreting scripture.

This is essentially what my sibling comment boils down to! Kudos for putting it more succinctly than I.