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Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by yieldcrv on Saturday October 21, 2023 @07:30PM (#37971468)
> I think part of your comment might be based on the idea that vegans are playing a social virtue game rather than being compassionate for its own sake and you feel challenged and offended by that

Not quite, I find the chosen solution to be arbitrary and that the chosen solution continues to move with new information about what suffering is. Echoed by the less verbose quip someone made earlier in the thread about needing to switch to a rock based diet.

I think several other rationales for the same dietary preferences are stronger, for example being against factory farming has nothing to do with only consuming plants it has to do with not consuming factory farmed meat.

I think several other responses to the mammalian suffering observation are stronger, for example, regulating or reducing how much of it occurs, which would have a greater impact than your dietary preference.

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by zztop44 on Saturday October 21, 2023 @08:12PM (#37971678)
It’s hard for an individual to regulate or reduce factory farming. And indeed the overlap between vegans and animal rights activists is likely quite large.

But there’s also something to be said of simply opting out of a system you believe to be evil. For example, with slavery, the correct response is not to advocate to regulate or reduce how much slavery occurs while still being a slave owner. The correct response is first to not be a slave owner.

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by yieldcrv on Saturday October 21, 2023 @08:25PM (#37971769)
does your analogy extend to no pets as well?

I’m trying to understand the extent of your particular position, or which similarity to focus on

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by zztop44 on Saturday October 21, 2023 @08:38PM (#37971829)
I don’t have any particular position, beyond hypocrisy. I’ve been vegan at times in the past, currently I’m not.

As for pet ownership, I honestly don’t know. I think it’s certainly ethically complicated but personally I don’t think it’s wrong per se. I would say there’s a massive difference between keeping a dog as a pet and keeping a tiger or monkey, though.

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by yieldcrv on Sunday October 22, 2023 @12:30AM (#37972832)
no field animals anymore

but house animals though

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by block_dagger on Sunday October 22, 2023 @01:49AM (#37973120)
Keeping a dog could be considered worse from the perspective of forced eugenics by our ancestors against canines. Domesticated dogs are abominations, some say.
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by block_dagger on Saturday October 21, 2023 @08:15PM (#37971711)
There's a clear difference, to me at least, between arbitrariness and the reasoning I've put forth. I agree that it is impossible to create an exact algorithm for choosing one's food to reduce suffering butt as new evidence is found, behaviors around food consumption _should_ change.

Related though: we haven't discussed the energy efficiency of producing meat vs plant matter, which is another important factor, unrelated to suffering.