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Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by thedumbomnivore on Saturday October 21, 2023 @06:49PM (#37971195)
the point is: you don't need to kill plants and fungi. we wait for beans, corn and wheat to almost die before we harvest it. no tree that produces fruits needs to be ripped off. a lot of vegetables can be harvested without killing the plant, if we cared. as well fungi, as the mushroom is relative to an apple is to a tree.

it's really impressive reading arguments of this level on a place like this... and even worse: justifications at the ballpark of "i can't commit to veganism, its too boring/difficult"

edit: boring is to work on a livestock place killing hundreds of animals per day and dealing with the smell of blood, screams of animals not killed at the first air-shot & the high paying salary that probably allows plenty of exotic seasoning and vegetables to be cooked after work; if you aren't going to suicide, because rates of this type on those workers are pretty high

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by justinclift on Sunday October 22, 2023 @02:10AM (#37973206)
> a lot of vegetables can be harvested without killing the plant, if we cared

That's a fair point. Eggs from chickens and milk from cows seem like the corresponding thing for the animal realm.

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by PretzelPirate on Sunday October 22, 2023 @08:14AM (#37974686)
Though you do need to do something with the baby cows that are born before their mother produces milk. They're often killed since they don't have much value otherwise.
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by justinclift on Sunday October 22, 2023 @08:46AM (#37974888)
What's the situation where a cow would calf, and not have milk ready to feed it?

Doesn't really seem like that'd be a common thing, though I could believe it does happen occasionally (law of large numbers and all).

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by forward1 on Sunday October 22, 2023 @10:53AM (#37975872)
> Eggs from chickens and milk from cows seem like the corresponding thing for the animal realm.

Both of those animals are raped, have their children separated from them, and are ultimately killed early in their life when their economic commodification is concluded, so no, the level of violence and negative side effects is not anywhere close to comparable.

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by justinclift on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:47AM (#37981737)
> ... have their children separated from them, and are ultimately killed ...

Oh, you mean like "beans, corn and wheat" as in the comment I was replying to?

That seems to be what happens for them too. ;)

No idea why you're saying the same things happening to them "aren't anywhere close to comparable".

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by forward1 on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:40AM (#37987292)
Plants lack sentience, so your argument is completely invalid.
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by justinclift on Monday October 23, 2023 @01:26PM (#37988811)
Hmmm, is there any chance you're choosing arbitrary lines because they're convenient for you?
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by forward1 on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:12AM (#38034943)
What's arbitrary about sentience, which is scientifically established?
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by pvaldes on Monday October 23, 2023 @06:53AM (#37983926)
> Both of those animals are raped

Hem... not. Farmers don't have sex with chicken or cows normally. Can we behave as adults here?

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by forward1 on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:40AM (#37987282)
How do you think those animals get pregnant?
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by justinclift on Monday October 23, 2023 @01:27PM (#37988835)
So tell us about "beans, corn and wheat" then... ?
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by pvaldes on Sunday October 22, 2023 @04:34AM (#37973785)
> the point is: you don't need to kill plants. we wait for beans, corn and wheat to almost die

We don't need to kill individual plants, because we can wait and kill its babies. Philosophical consistence at its best.

Each bean, corn and wheat grains are individual plants. Eating a dish of beans or a slice of bread is the very own definition of killing 200 plants each time. And this is the only part of this species that we eat.

Silly influencers tried to eat only fruits. The poor misguided souls died of malnutrition. It does not work. Seriously. Facts are stubborn.

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by forward1 on Sunday October 22, 2023 @10:57AM (#37975904)
> Silly influencers tried to eat only fruits. The poor misguided souls died of malnutrition.

We're talking about humans, right? Which are anatomically closest to frugivorous apes. Curious which "facts" you must be considering.

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by pvaldes on Sunday October 22, 2023 @02:54PM (#37978030)
We're talking about humans, that's correct

Facts: Fruit only diet is unsuitable for the survival of human children.

nine month old girl died in 2000. The baby was severely malnourished after being feed a diet of water and tomato juice. Their parent rejected repeatedly any medical advice, thinking that just providing more sun would be enough.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/sep/15/taniabranigan

So this diet can kill you literally in a few months

More food for your mind. Fruitarian diet can kill young adults also

Aug 2023. The food influencer Zhanna Samsonova starved herself to death at 39 Yo after subsisting exclusively on a diet of fruits, sunflower seed sprouts, fruit smoothies and juices for years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOfE3peL1QE

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by forward1 on Sunday October 22, 2023 @10:48PM (#37981055)
So two people dead "from" fruitarian diets versus hundreds of thousands dead from eating animal products and processed foods annually. Looks like you've lost the argument totally.
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by pvaldes on Monday October 23, 2023 @06:16AM (#37983676)
This is not about us or them.

If fruitarian diet is so healthy as you think, then this people shouldn't have died. Period.

Have you any logical, adult, alternative explanation about how a 9 months old girl can die by the consequences of severe starving after being feed such nutritious diet (and not any trace of poisonous meat or evil processed foods)? I would want to hear it.

And if the doctor's claims that fruitarian diets damage the pancreas are false, then maybe Steve Jobs shouldn't had developed pancreatic cancer. Or his pancreas should have improved after the all-juice "cure", right?

Jobs pancreas didn't healed. The disease didn't ever stopped. In fact, his choice most probably accelerated the disease. If doctor's experience are of any value to you, then we should pay attention when they universally say that fruitarian diets damage pancreas and kidneys at long term.

Most doctors say also that fruitarian diet can lead to diabetes.

Can we conclude yet that maybe fruitarian diet is not so healthy for us as some people preached, or people must learnt it the hard way?

Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger by forward1 on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:39AM (#37987270)
Those people didn't die from poor diet, they died from starvation.

> Most doctors say also that fruitarian diet can lead to diabetes.

No, they don't. You seem to have an ideological bias against fruit. Until you address it, a lot won't make sense to you.