Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger
by justinclift on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:55AM
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You may want to include some kind of time factor into your suffering assessment.
Like, what if some "thing" has very complex behaviours as per your existing items, but their external signalling rate is so slow that it takes hours for them to start displaying their reactions?
(note - that's just an exaggerated thing to convey the idea)
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger
by thomasskis on Monday October 23, 2023 @05:36PM
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I think the subjective time here is especially relevant. The post previous mentioned having a conversation with ChatGPT about the topic. ChatGPT probably had multiple human lifetimes of conversations during that one conversation. Would it think of humans the same way we think of trees? Too slow to have meaningful behaviour? Maybe on H100s not just yet.
Re:Plants communicate with each other when in danger
by justinclift on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:59PM
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Interesting angle. Hadn't thought of that, and it's probably good to be aware of. :)
You're right that this example throws a wrench in my genetic relatedness argument. Stepping back from that, the deeper question is: how obvious is it that a creature can suffer similar to my own suffering? If it's obvious, it's obviously a bad choice for domination and consumption in my book. Plants do not have this outward obvious ability to suffer imo.