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Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by bryanlarsen on Friday October 20, 2023 @10:17AM (#37956380)
Everybody reading that NYT article is going to come away with the conclusion that PIJ fired the rocket.

The way it was written makes that conclusion far more persusasive than any article less "fair" to Hamas or the PIJ.

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Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by throwaway237289 on Friday October 20, 2023 @10:31AM (#37956620)
HN is still a site about creating businesses, right?

The NYT needs to consider its customers, and ensure they find the balance to make its customers happy. For them, there's a fine line between event reporting, "truth", and point of view.

It's not political backlash. It's pissing off your subscription base. And that's really dumb.

Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by FormerBandmate on Friday October 20, 2023 @10:33AM (#37956647)
As a customer of news, I want the fucking news. If I want people’s opinions I will go to the opinion section
Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by throwaway237289 on Friday October 20, 2023 @03:38PM (#37960555)
If you're an actual, paying customer of NYT, then I would hazard that you're welcome to tell them you don't like what they're doing by not paying them.

If you're a freeloader that's just talking about generic morals and integrity, welcome to reality. Businesses get paid by giving customers what they want.

Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by kylebenzle on Saturday October 21, 2023 @05:48PM (#37970784)
Until they are saying something bad about your religion, then things change real quick.
Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by 93po on Friday October 20, 2023 @10:38AM (#37956723)
Okay good, so we’re on the same page that NYT will lie and be dishonest for commercial purposes and isn’t an outlet of journalist integrity.
Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by throwaway237289 on Friday October 20, 2023 @03:36PM (#37960540)
Absolutely. Your tone comes off as negative, but it's actually the truth and it's better you accept it today.

Welcome to reality, where people get paid by customers to do work.

Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by 93po on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:20AM (#37976127)
To be clear my snarky tone is directed more at others that trust corporate news. We're on the same page, I think corporate news is garbage
Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by colpabar on Friday October 20, 2023 @10:49AM (#37956881)
If the NYT is just a business that exists to make its customers happy as you are suggesting, why do we take them seriously? Isn't that why everyone hates fox news?
Re:It's easy to screw up on breaking news. But you have to a... by somenameforme on Friday October 20, 2023 @11:25AM (#37957430)
Inertia. Fox kind of made fun of itself from a pretty early stage with 'fair and balanced' when they were never even pretending to be such. The NYTimes was an excellent, and at least reasonably impartial, paper for many decades. So, many people still look at them as the same as they were decades ago, even though a remotely objective look can tell you they've also long since jumped the shark, hard.

I think there's also the practical problem that there really isn't any good media anymore. It's not like I can say 'well the NYTimes sucks - go to [blah]'. There was an absolutely excellent article by Bob Kaiser (editor at WaPo for decades) - The Bad News About the News. [1] I'm really remiss to give cliff notes because the article covers so much and so eloquently, but in general - the internet has played a major role in destroying the overall quality of news.

[1] - http://csweb.brookings.edu/content/research/essays/2014/bad-...