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Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by chiefalchemist on Thursday October 19, 2023 @09:01PM (#37950962)
I don't understand how you can admit you don't understand and then immediately square off against X. X being the people asking for transparency, honesty, etc.

Put another way, anti-vax is wrong but anti-you-and-rest-of-us is ok?

One word for you: FollowTheMoney

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by bediger4000 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @09:58PM (#37951421)
You're equating anti-vax with seeking truth, seeking honesty, asking for transparency, all in good faith. Good for you, seeing the best in people.

After the last 3 years, you'll have to pardon most people not making that identification. Loud, partisan, probably bad faith, anti-vax advocacy has ruined it for the simple, honest, good faith truth seekers. Very unfortunate.

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by peyton on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:23PM (#37952059)
Right or wrong, I think most normal people are a bit skeptical about being asked to take what they were told was a 95% effective vaccine for the fifth time. I wouldn’t call it bad faith.
Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by scrollaway on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:36PM (#37952132)
I don’t know where you live but here in most of Europe, the vaccines are barely in the news anymore. When we hear about them it’s usually about the elderly.

Flu shot vaccines are also highly effective and you’re also recommended to take them every year. This hasn’t been a problem ever — if now it suddenly is, then it’s difficult to think that this is the group that “seeks truth and transparency”, rather than the group that seeks to stir conflict and spread bullshit for their own benefit.

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by chiefalchemist on Friday October 20, 2023 @06:23AM (#37954343)
Flu vaccines are only effective *if* they guess the strain that breaks out the following winter. Sure, it's an educated and necessary guess (given the necessary lead time for manufacturing and distribution) but it's still a guess.

Cardiovascular disease *continues* to kill and maim (i.e., stroke) more than Covid did and does but *no one* from NIH, CDC, WHO, etc. is in the media every other day saying,"Put down the Coke and fries and go for a long walk...". But now that there's a jab for weight reduction maybe that'll happen. Funny how that is.

Coincidentally, those with excess weight (and associated medical conditions) fared worse against Covid. At yet the weight/cardiovascular pandemic doesn't get a spotlight? Why?

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by dekhn on Friday October 20, 2023 @01:52PM (#37959317)
The NIH, CDC, and WHO, along with the media, frequently publish PR that says "put down the coke and fries and go for a long walk". I'm not sure why you're making that claim, as it's demonstrably false.

https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/infographics/diet-and-exercis...

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/index.html

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-die...

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/physical-ac...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/well/move/exercise-diet-d...

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by chiefalchemist on Friday October 20, 2023 @02:58PM (#37960049)
And repeated the message on the morning, noon, evening and night news? Over and over and over again? (Hint: Nah).

I have to repeat this so it sinks in...cardiovascular disease killed more and kills more than Covid.

In fact, those suffering from cardiovascular disease were more susceptible to this virus, and will likely fare not-so-well with the next, and the next and the next.

Given the numbers and the risks, the links you listed are token at best when compared to media "blitz" we received *and* continue to receive about Covid. It's not even close.

And regardless, "frequently" !== urgent.

Follow the money friend, follow the money.

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by hinkley on Friday October 20, 2023 @02:58AM (#37953140)
Eight years. This circus was already open for business before COVID.
Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by hinkley on Friday October 20, 2023 @02:59AM (#37953147)
Shouting conspiracy isn’t seeking truth. It’s throwing a tantrum to get out of doing something you don’t want to do.
Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by chiefalchemist on Friday October 20, 2023 @06:13AM (#37954275)
And calling something a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so simply because someone else told you to do so and you assimilated to that norm simply because you are too intellectually lazy to think thoughts that might make you uncomfortable.

Here's an example:

"...But so far private companies Pfizer and Moderna are the only ones that have succeeded in making them. And both companies have refused to share their patents and their manufacturing know-how..."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/13/1111137...

Now let that sink in...we were told time and again. It's a pandemic (i.e., worldwide) and that a variation in Country X has the potential to kill *everywhere*. But share the technology? To save lives?? Technology the US taxpayer paid for?? No way!

Yeah, no big deal. There weren't that many people living in Brazil anyway.

Or what about the fact long term safety was promised...based on what? A time machine?

Or what about the fact that it was revealed mid-pandemic that those disposable blue masks weren't capable of filtering out things the size of a virus? (Read: They were effectively *useless*) When out of left field Faucci tried to push wearing two masks? Simple question: How could the CDC and a world renown "expert" *not* know that??

I get it. They've manipulated your scarcity brain and its biases and you can't help but to keep blowing the horn for them. But that doesn't make anything outside the dictacted narrative a conspiracy theory. It never has. It never will.

Again: follow the money.

p.s. Cardiovascular disease *continues* to kill and maim (i.e., stroke) more than Covid did and does but *no one* from NIH, CDC, WHO, etc. is in the media every other day saying,"Put down the Coke and fries and go for a long walk...". But now that there's a jab for weight reduction maybe that'll happen. Funny how that is.

Coincidentally, those with excess weight (and associated medical conditions) fared worse against Covid. At yet the weight/cardiovascular pandemic doesn't get a spotlight? Why?

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by nvm0n2 on Friday October 20, 2023 @06:24AM (#37954351)
Other way around. It is seeking truth if there is actually a conspiracy. How many so-called "conspiracy theorists" said there was a risk that the shots would alter your DNA, and were then shouted down by people who blindly repeated The Science without engaging with the debate. It's not possible, they said, only uneducated Trump voters could believe that, they said. The Science says the shots can't alter your DNA because mRNA can't do that and anyone who objects should be blasted off the face of the internet, have their bank accounts seized, be forced to take the vaccines to keep their jobs and be prevented from seeing their families.

Only, whoops, mRNA isn't the only thing in the vials, and what is there is the sort of thing that can change your DNA. And the pharma companies must have known that, the regulators turned a blind eye, and testing the vials externally to find out what was in them was forbidden by law (hence why the doctors who blew this open had to test residues from preserved empty vials).

So, yet another win for the so-called conspiracy theorists.

BTW basically everyone has realized this by now. Boosters are still being advertised and promoted but uptake is near zero and Pfizer/Moderna stock prices have disconnected from the rest of the pharma industry, going much lower. Investors are getting worried.

Re:DNA fragments detected in Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mod... by shadowgovt on Saturday October 21, 2023 @07:26PM (#37971433)
> and what is there is the sort of thing that can change your DNA

How? Describe the mechanism.