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Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bastardoperator on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:07PM (#37947232)
What's egregious to you? I personally don't mind if doxxers, racists, or criminals(war thunder leak?) get the ban hammer immediately.
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by jjoonathan on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:22PM (#37947430)
Let's look through your post history. How many comments before we can come up with a reason to ban you that would be widely accepted in most contexts? 3.

> I worked with a well know hacker

Holy shit, we've got a confessed security risk on our hands! Ban immediately, before bastardoperator hacks us all!

Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bastardoperator on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:39PM (#37947668)
I love how you left out the "/author"... I'm sorry, where are we again?
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by hnaccount141 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:59PM (#37947919)
That's the whole point. Permabanning on the first offense ignores the reality that these large-scale moderation systems (automated or human) tend to lack nuance and context-awareness, leading to false positives. A system of escalating warnings adds slack to protect good-faith users from those sorts of moderation failures.
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bastardoperator on Thursday October 19, 2023 @04:49PM (#37948533)
So if someone shares CP on discord you think they should be given a warning and not permabanned? The justice system isn't going to give them any slack so why should a private entity? Where do you draw the line? I asked in my initial comment, "What's egregious to you". No one will answer that...
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by jrajav on Thursday October 19, 2023 @06:06PM (#37949390)
> So if someone shares CP on discord you think they should be given a warning and not permabanned?

"Think of the children" is consistently used as an escape hatch to avoid actually doing due diligence in enforcement and moderation. You aren't protecting anyone by lazily granting root to content moderation / surveillance / whatever system is under discussion. You're just making those systems worse.

Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bluefirebrand on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:11PM (#37950058)
Here's a better example.

Say I post a picture of my young child running around in a diaper to a family/close friends discord channel.

It gets flagged as CP because algorithms lack nuance.

Should I be permabanned for this?

Are we just not allowed to share photos of children online at all unless they are clothed head to toe? Maybe that's our current cultural norm, but that seems like an excessive measure for a society where most people aren't child predators.

Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by handoflixue on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:36PM (#37950252)
You say "CP" like it's a clearly evil category, but there's people out there that insist that fanfic about characters in a kid's show kissing is in that category. So, no, I don't really trust moderators to permaban that.

That said, yeah, actual CP should still be a permaban. We all agree on that. But treating it as a cut-and-dried example illustrates exactly what hnaccount141 was saying when they said "these large-scale moderation systems (automated or human) tend to lack nuance and context-awareness, leading to false positives"

Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by 10000truths on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:39PM (#37947660)
Sure, as long as they're told why they're banned.
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bastardoperator on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:45PM (#37947732)
They were banned for doxxing 13 year olds in call of duty lobby and calling them the N word... I'm sure everyone feels so much better now. That's what you need? Really...
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bobsmith432 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:20PM (#37947399)
It's stupid and egregious to ban someone for "breaking TOS" or "sharing harmful information" and not telling them exactly what they did and where they did it, no matter what you see them as.
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bachmeier on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:34PM (#37947600)
Only from the perspective of the person getting banned. From the perspective of the person paying the bills, you're paying someone to spend time explaining why you kicked them out, and then you're paying them to discuss the reasoning, and then you're paying them to discuss the reason with hundreds of users that don't think there's anything wrong with calling someone [some word].

Not only that, you're doing that to satisfy the curiosity of someone you've decided you don't want anywhere near your site. I'd be on board with your line of argument if it involved a payment of $X to cover out-of-pocket expenses and the hassle of dealing with BS.

Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by bobsmith432 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:46PM (#37947744)
Nobody wanted to "have a chance to explain themselves". I just wanna be told what got me banned, not a complex request.
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by chmod775 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @10:25PM (#37951654)
>I just wanna

However in this instance they (Discord) would have no reason to care about what you want, so saying that you want something is really no argument.

Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by tuatoru on Thursday October 19, 2023 @06:40PM (#37949782)
Off topic but I can't resist: happens to a lot of people accused of sexual harassment at work. They get permabanned from work, and don't know what they said or did, nor when, where, or to whom.
Re:Discord is going to give out warnings instead of permanen... by Sohcahtoa82 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @05:29PM (#37948976)
Doxxing, threats of violence, CSAM, for sure.

Dropping a racial slur? Nah, I'd let that be a 1-hour timeout that begins the next time you try to send a message.

As someone else said, teenagers like to test boundaries and be edgy. Show them where the boundaries are and let them have a chance to correct their behavior.