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Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by tecleandor on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:44AM (#37944461)
Kind of funny it's salty but it's called dulce/dulse (Spanish for 'sweet'). I'd love to know the pronunciation for 'Duileasg'
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by cmrdporcupine on Thursday October 19, 2023 @12:19PM (#37944909)
The etymology is completely distinct tho, not a cognate.

From Old Irish duilesc (compare Scottish Gaelic duileasg), from Proto-Celtic doliskos, duliskos (compare Welsh delysg), from Proto-Indo-European dʰelh₁- (“to bloom, be green”) (compare duille (“leaf”)).

Whereas Latin 'dulcis' comes from PIE dl̥kús ("sweet")

Actually probably cognate with Latin 'folium' (Italian foglia, French 'feuille'). EDIT: Actually no. Not sure there's a Latin cognate at all; the dʰelh₁ PIE doesn't seem to have evolved to "Leaf" in Latin and the Greek word for "bloom" was borrowed instead? Something like that.

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Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by cmrdporcupine on Thursday October 19, 2023 @12:28PM (#37945007)
Yeah see my edit, it seems clear to me that the bʰleh₃- is the origin, and Latin never got the dʰelh₁- derivation.
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by chupasaurus on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:59PM (#37952245)
It sounds OK to me if dʰelh went through some thenanigans to Latin. Fun fact: zelen is one of common roots in Slavic languages for green/leafs.
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by thaumasiotes on Friday October 20, 2023 @09:40AM (#37955830)
Comparing this other comment:

> Note that phonetically dulce in NI would be pronounced "dulis."

is interesting in that the modern pronunciation looks much closer to the ancient pronunciation than the modern spelling is to either. What happened?

Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by cmrdporcupine on Friday October 20, 2023 @12:25PM (#37958197)
I am not an Irish (or any kind of Celtic) speaker but orthography for those languages looks absolutely crazy to me. Both Welsh and Irish / Scottish Gaelic look like languages that might have benefited from their own alphabet, or at least the addition of some diacritical marks.

We also have no real idea how proto-Celtic or even Gaulish or early old Irish would have been pronounced. Only best guesses. We have inscriptions in e.g Gaulish from Roman times but they look to me suspiciously Latinized.

And then look at English.. it's a mismash of a bunch of different orthograpic conventions -- Anglo-Saxon, Norman French, Nordic, Latin, Greek... and makes no sense. Even us native speakers have no absolute certainty how to pronounce a word they've never seen before.

Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by asveikau on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:53AM (#37944585)
I'll give you that /θ/ is pronounced [s] by the majority of the Spanish speaking world, but it's definitely "dulce" and not with s.
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by tecleandor on Thursday October 19, 2023 @11:58AM (#37944643)
My fault, I wrote it with an 's' just because I looked for the seaweed around and I found it written as 'dulse'. I in fact don't pronounce it with the 's'. :P :D
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by AlecSchueler on Thursday October 19, 2023 @01:16PM (#37945647)
Note that phonetically dulce in NI would be pronounced "dulis."
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by huron on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:23PM (#37947444)
West coast of Clare we call it Dilisk. Pronounced, more or less, dilishk.
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by declanjfleming on Thursday October 19, 2023 @04:32PM (#37948333)
My mom came from the West coast of Mayo and called it Dilisk (dilishk).
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by pvaldes on Thursday October 19, 2023 @05:50PM (#37949196)
universal name: Palmaria palmata
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by Thedarkb on Thursday October 19, 2023 @05:15PM (#37948830)
In Waterford we call it Dilisk with a normal S.
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by raducu on Friday October 20, 2023 @04:57AM (#37953795)
In romanian it's the same; but it can also mean "fresh" in the context of dairy. It's the same in Spanish?
Re:Early Europeans Ate Seaweed for Thousands of Years by pvaldes on Friday October 20, 2023 @12:41PM (#37958400)
> It's the same in Spanish?

not. Dulce means sweet or candy in Spanish, but not fresh