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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by rekabis on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:41PM (#37935780)
Is it time to pull out the nuclear option? Firing due to union affiliation is illegal. Firing everyone on a bargaining team is obviously illegal. Time to bankrupt the company, such that most anyone with decision-making ability walks away _much poorer_ than they would have otherwise. Lessons need to be taught to the Parasite Class.
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by batch12 on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:00PM (#37935958)
I am ignorant of the law here, so I want to be clear that I am asking out of genuine curiosity, not out of malice or some thinly veiled political ideology. I do not live in a location where unions are common.

The bargaining team was 8 people. Is it really illegal to fire them all? Does being a member of this team guarantee some members immunity? Can the team consist of former employees or can the remaining union members perform these functions?

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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by creshal on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:22AM (#37941291)
> Is it really illegal to fire them all? Does being a member of this team guarantee some members immunity?

It depends on the local laws, but in most countries it would be extremely illegal. If it is legal in the US, it's a massive and worrying oversight that erodes workers' bargaining position.

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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:47PM (#37935841)
Most of the revenue that flows through Bandcamp goes to various of the (roughly) 300k artists with a page there.

Who do you think you're going to bankrupt, and how?

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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:53PM (#37935880)
Companies die through dynamism all the time in a healthy economy. Why would one dying because of its poor relationship with workers be any worse? The org dies, the workers move on and attempt to unionize elsewhere. The time to protect Bandcamp was before they sold and became beholden to a new owner.

There are 9 million open jobs in the US currently, as a data point (latest jobs and JOLTS report).

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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:00PM (#37935951)
The story at Bandcamp involves:

  1. the employees (and ex-employees) of the company
  2. the artists who put their work on the platform
There is currently no seriously viable alternative for the #2 group that offers anything remotely equivalent.
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:01PM (#37935960)
It’s unfortunate. An opportunity for a new org if Bandcamp dies. Looks like a bunch of folks are available for such an enterprise.
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:06PM (#37936016)
It's not really about the technology - that could likely be assembled in very short order. Platforms like this are intimately tied up in network effects, as well as platform inertia.
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by g-b-r on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:55PM (#37936414)
There absolutely needs to be another company that take its place
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by mixdup on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @07:52PM (#37936392)
The acquiring company probably didn't buy Bandcamp, they probably bought the assets, and that means the employees don't automatically come over, you get hired by the new company. Likely not a labor violation, unfortunately
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by g-b-r on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @08:00PM (#37936453)
From what I had read no one's been fired, Songtradr acquired the company without the employees and then hired back whoever they wanted
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by somsak2 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @01:18AM (#37938787)
get around pesky laws with this one weird wording trick!
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by Sakos on Thursday October 19, 2023 @02:57AM (#37939433)
This should be wildly illegal.
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by throwaway5959 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @03:26AM (#37939601)
Why?
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by Doxin on Thursday October 19, 2023 @04:03AM (#37939880)
Because in practice it allows firing people for reasons otherwise illegal. You shouldn't be able to get around the law by playing word games.
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Re:Every member of Bandcamp United Union bargaining team was... by creshal on Thursday October 19, 2023 @07:18AM (#37941255)
"We're not firing all black and jewish employees, we're just letting a shell company acquire our assets and then re-hire everyone who's a white christian male" reaaally should not be legal.
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