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Re:Amazon reaches 10000 Rivian electric delivery vans in U.S. by themaninthedark on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @02:37PM (#37932817)
What is the resolution of the speed detection? When was the map last updated?

Or to put this another way:

We have a system for perfectly knowing what the drivers speed is. We also perfectly know what the legal street speed is.

Instead of limiting the drivers maximum speed to the legal street speed, we instead just tell their boss?

Looks to me like Amazon wants their drivers to violate the speed limit but then also want to have a record of when they do so they can fire them for cause.

Re:Amazon reaches 10000 Rivian electric delivery vans in U.S. by LeifCarrotson on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @03:39PM (#37933703)
Both resolution and updates are imperfect, therefore, the reporting system makes more sense. The appeal process for an on-vehicle limit is instant, real-time interaction with the hardware, while for the latter you can talk to a human.

If you were cited for going 68 in a 25 you can point out that you were on the highway 10 seconds before and 10 seconds after the incident, and had no way to get to the access road under the highway. If your vehicle decided you were speeding and slammed on the brakes in the middle of the interstate, you'd need a much more reliable system.

If your relationship with your employer is dehumanized to the point where these reports, reviews, and penalties are interactions with an uncaring piece of software, that's a different problem.

Re:Amazon reaches 10000 Rivian electric delivery vans in U.S. by themaninthedark on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @06:45PM (#37935809)
Right. That is my point, so now you are expecting the Amazon delivery manager to take time to go through all the reports with each employee. The employee to remember what was going on at the time and the system to be fair.

Or:

The Amazon manager is either going to fire the employee after a number of reports or keep the reports in their back pocket to use when they need an excuse to fire the employee.

Re:Amazon reaches 10000 Rivian electric delivery vans in U.S. by Dylan16807 on Thursday October 19, 2023 @12:03AM (#37938228)
Do speed limiters that engage the brakes actually exist, or is this a nonsense scenario?
Re:Amazon reaches 10000 Rivian electric delivery vans in U.S. by michaelt on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @04:28PM (#37934353)
> Instead of limiting the drivers maximum speed to the legal street speed, we instead just tell their boss?

I don't know about the Rivian, but many driver monitoring systems are aftermarket retrofits, not vehicle manufacturer parts. The driver monitoring system is just a fancy dashcam with cloud uploading features, and a bunch of people in a low-income country manually labelling video clips.