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Re:Swedish union declares strike for Tesla employees by malfist on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @11:51AM (#37917004)
This is a very tired trope of propaganda against unions.

Unions don't dictate your pay, they set a range and the company pays in that range for performance. It's no different than what your employer does to you today, except with a Union the ranges are known and negotiated collectively instead of the company dictating them.

Unions don't prevent people from being fired, they just require cause. Because the flip side of this is corporate firing people without cause days before the qualify for 401k matching, pension plan, or another stock vest or other such nonsense. You want to fire Bob because you don't like him? Tough luck, we're not here to be friends, we're here to work. Union says show evidence Bob isn't doing his job, then you can fire him.

Re:Swedish union declares strike for Tesla employees by aidenn0 on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @12:01PM (#37917158)
I think some of this perception is due to many people on HNs primary experience with union jobs is through government employed unions (e.g. public school staff) where there is essentially zero wiggle room for pay; it's a simple algebraic formula that you can calculate yourself. They also seem to be loath to fire people at all, to a degree I haven't seen in e.g. factory union jobs; I think the whole "If the guy next to me fucks up, I could end up injured" helps in those cases.
Re:Swedish union declares strike for Tesla employees by PawgerZ on Wednesday October 18, 2023 @03:34PM (#37933639)
People try to say that it's hard to fire teachers because of unions, but they never mention the massive teacher shortage we have. It's really hard to fire someone in an essential job when you know that no one wants to take their place.