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Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by jjallen on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:47AM (#37898410)
Great so they want to freeload off the laying users and content producers. The serving and production of this content has real costs.

This does not make the Internet a better place. Paying for stuff you like does though.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by peoplefromibiza on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:50AM (#37898442)
> Paying for stuff you like does though

great!

make it, put it on your website (using owncast for example) and I'll pay.

I won't pay YouTube though, sorry not sorry.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by jjallen on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:06AM (#37898629)
Why no mention of Patreon which is where most YT creators are asking you to pay them?

Does that also not meet your stipulations as to where and how you are willing to pay for a product you are consuming?

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by danShumway on Monday October 16, 2023 @09:22AM (#37899531)
Freetube doesn't block anyone from paying a creator on Patreon.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by peoplefromibiza on Monday October 16, 2023 @12:46PM (#37902569)
> Why no mention of Patreon which is where most YT creators are asking you to pay them?

because it's not YouTube.

I do not want the platform to succeed, because it's killing the competition and it's also killing the creators.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by wkz on Monday October 16, 2023 @08:06AM (#37898635)
> I won't pay YouTube though, [in that case I will unilaterally decide that I can consume your content free of charge], sorry not sorry.

For clarity, I just added the quiet part.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by BLKNSLVR on Monday October 16, 2023 @09:10AM (#37899383)
I'm on board with that.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by peoplefromibiza on Monday October 16, 2023 @12:45PM (#37902559)
Yes. I will watch it for free as intended, nobody posted the content to be YouTube premium only, so I won't pay for it, I will watch the sponsor segments though.

I won't pay YouTube and I won't support in other forms that will let creators keep posting content on YouTube.

I'm voting with my money, I don't want YouTube to succeed as a platform, unless it becomes more open about their algorithms and their suggestions. most of my creator friends saw their views diminish two folds for no apparent reason, their video have been demonetized after years being there, because some user improperly signaled them, maybe a competitor that wanted to harm their reputation or maybe just some troll, but there was no easy way to put them back, because YouTube has no support.

Should I really pay for that?

No, thanks!

Easy as that.

It's like paying the mall because the comic book shop I like is inside the mall, so that the mall can finance and advertise all the things I hate in life, while also killing the exposure of the comic book shop.

You won't guilt trip me with your misguided morals.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by wkz on Monday October 16, 2023 @05:07PM (#37906648)
> Yes. I will watch it for free as intended, nobody posted the content to be YouTube premium only, so I won't pay for it, I will watch the sponsor segments though.

Fair enough, but the grandparent's point was specifically about circumventing the ads, no? At least that was what I was addressing.

> It's like paying the mall because the comic book shop I like is inside the mall, so that the mall can finance and advertise all the things I hate in life, while also killing the exposure of the comic book shop.

But your fine with some percentage of whatever you spend in that store going back to the mall in form of rent? Seems like an accounting detail to me.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by peoplefromibiza on Thursday October 19, 2023 @04:59AM (#37940281)
> But you're fine with some percentage of whatever you spend in that store going back to the mall in form of rent?

not my problem, that's for renters to handle.

I don't care if they pay for it or not, I simply care to buy my comics.

But if the mall starts asking me for a subscription just to enter the mall, I'm going somewhere else.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by doublemint2202 on Monday October 16, 2023 @07:55AM (#37898504)
It's simple economics: Google will optimize for paying creators as little as possible and for charging me as much as possible. Instead of making the world a better place, they innovate & adapt to maximize shareholder value.

Once they get cocky, they forget about market power. Someone can provide me YouTube for a lower cost than Google? Great! Capitalism is working. Maybe Google should make less shitty products, and I'll go back to YouTube.

You have an annoying, stupid mindset. And you sound like a bot.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by nonethewiser on Monday October 16, 2023 @09:00AM (#37899240)
> You have an annoying, stupid mindset. And you sound like a bot.

You really shouldn’t get this worked up by online comments. Its also not a positive contribution to the site.

Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by doublemint2202 on Monday October 16, 2023 @09:35AM (#37899713)
Yeah you're right, that's my bad. Sorry!
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by vehemenz on Monday October 16, 2023 @10:13AM (#37900156)
The Internet was a better place before YouTube though, so, as with anyone trying to make moral arguments, you're stuck between two principles with no clear way to reconcile them.
Re:FreeTube – The Private YouTube Client by anonymousab on Monday October 16, 2023 @02:02PM (#37903692)
How is this any different from using TiVo to avoid tv ads? Just the fact that TV advertisers are more easily tricked/misled by the platform/viewers?