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Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by anigbrowl on Monday April 02, 2012 @03:06PM (#3789573)
I think you've made an error here. Florence's arrest was reasonable as far as it went. He had pled guilty 2 years earlier to obstruction of justice and use of a deadly weapon, and been fined, the fine being payable in installments. One of his payments was late, and an arrest warrant was issued. He made the payment soon afterwards, but the warrant was never cancelled. So the arresting officer checked his identity, found priors involving deadly weapons and an outstanding arrest warrant, and enforced the warrant.

My issues with this are that a) someone gets thrown into general population while an administrative issue is being resolved, and b) the nature of his apparent offense (unpaid fine, rather than an act of commission).

Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by euroclydon on Monday April 02, 2012 @11:03PM (#3791255)
NPR didn't mention the prior conviction had anything to do with a deadly weapon. If he's got that kind of background, I'm not sure what the outrage is for at all.
Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by mikecane on Monday April 02, 2012 @03:24PM (#3789643)
>>>But legally speaking it wasn't cruel because it had a practical rather than a punitive basis; and it wasn't unusual because everyone is subjected to the same degree of inspection at those facilities; and he hadn't been punished, because he hadn't been convicted; and it wasn't relevant because his counsel (correctly) focused on on other constitutional protections.

Wow. So a cop who brings you in because he had a bad day or doesn't like your skin tone and has you subjected to a strip search isn't punishment? Nor is it cruel? And because everyone is equally degraded, it isn't unusual? Look, you can spout whatever "The law says..." all you want, but this is not what I want my country to become.

Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by anigbrowl on Monday April 02, 2012 @03:29PM (#3789664)
If you try following my train of thought, which is only a few paragraphs long, you'll see that I'm saying the law is deeply flawed.
Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by mikecane on Monday April 02, 2012 @03:46PM (#3789735)
Yes, I see that. But that middle part irked me too much.
Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by anigbrowl on Monday April 02, 2012 @04:01PM (#3789792)
Well, there's a difference between a positive (descriptive) statement of how things are, and a normative statement of how they should be. It's hard to have a constructive discussion of the latter when every statement of the former results in a derailment of the conversation.
Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by mikecane on Monday April 02, 2012 @05:04PM (#3790088)
Well, you're taking it personally rather than my being cranky about the wording that clearly described their point of view.
Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by anigbrowl on Monday April 02, 2012 @05:11PM (#3790126)
When you wrote Look, you can spout whatever "The law says..." all you want [...] then I assumed that your remarks were addressed to me, not to someone else. This exchange is becoming increasingly pointless.
Re:Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense by tptacek on Monday April 02, 2012 @10:28PM (#3791183)
This right here is another really annoying message board tic. Outrage trumps understanding, so much so that it's legitimate to rant at someone for not being outraged enough.