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Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by Scarblac on Sunday October 15, 2023 @08:53AM (#37889333)
> Most of the reduction came from highly educated men working intensive jobs of 50 hours a week or more, Shin said.

> “It’s actually young people, 25 to 45, who used to work very long hours, who are now cutting back,” he said, noting, “it’s all men—not women. "

Is it really fair to call that "quiet quitting"?

Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by cedilla on Sunday October 15, 2023 @09:15AM (#37889467)
I really honestly don't get what "quiet quitting" means today.

It's origin is quite clear: disillusioned employees don't quit their job, but instead do the bare minimum needed to not get fired.

Now it apparently means anything from that to people who still work very hard and sometimes do overtime, but aren't willingly working weekends and 50 hour overtimes just to please their corporate overlords anymore.

Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by acdha on Sunday October 15, 2023 @09:30AM (#37889557)
It’s a marketing term pandering to insecure managers. A lot of upper management believes that they have a ton of employees who will be slacking off unless constantly watched, and they don’t trust the lower level managers to do their jobs making sure that doesn’t happen.

Sometimes that has a race or class component but I think it most often is simply that it conveniently shifts the blame for poor performance. That project didn’t fail because incompetent managers confused Accenture’s suits with competence, or because the management layers are only good at playing politics, but because the staff “quiet quit” (i.e. spent their unpaid time with their friends and families rather than gifting it to their boss).

The United States has a lot of people who either are in management or self-identify with the people at the top so a business writer can have a very easy career writing “it’s not you, it’s them” pieces like this. Our retirement system also means you have a large audience of people who have spare time, depend on stock market returns for their income, and are thus far more willing to think other people should have harsher working conditions than they personally did.

Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday October 15, 2023 @09:18AM (#37889480)
>It's origin is quite clear: disillusioned employees don't quit their job, but instead do the bare minimum needed to not get fired.

That's not how I understood it so maybe it isn't that clear. My understanding was that it was doing the work you were contracted to do. So if you were salaried to work 40 hours a week then you wouldn't do 50 or read your emails at home.

Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by cedilla on Sunday October 15, 2023 @09:29AM (#37889551)
But how is that "quitting"?
Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday October 15, 2023 @10:33AM (#37890090)
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Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by rantallion on Sunday October 15, 2023 @11:23AM (#37890497)
Maintaining a healthy work/life balance is in no way 'quitting'. Employers expected too much (without adequate reward) and are simply shocked that people are drawing a line.
Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by voakbasda on Sunday October 15, 2023 @11:42AM (#37890674)
Exactly. Which is why I read the phrase as sympathetically directed toward management. They are the ones losing here, and they want a way to shift the blame away from their own incompetence that requires such free overtime to run a profitable business.
Re:The labor shortage is here for one reason–and it's quiet ... by tonyedgecombe on Monday October 16, 2023 @05:54AM (#37897638)
>Maintaining a healthy work/life balance is in no way 'quitting'.

Hence the new term.