Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by riffic on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:14PM
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how do you effectively shame people into doing the right thing here, as opposed to just letting them do the wrong thing at an alarming scale?
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Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by Timshel on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:29PM
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I would shame the ones producing.
Stuff like disposable vape should just not exists.
They are the one making a profit from this pollution ..
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by tuatoru on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:56PM
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How is that possible? Companies are completely sociopathic. Whatever they say, they're only saying that to get people to buy their stuff.
Shame cannot work.
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by blacksmith_tb on Thursday October 12, 2023 @06:00PM
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Replace "shame" with "regulate and fine" and I think we have a viable approach.
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by klhutchins on Thursday October 12, 2023 @06:27PM
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yeah, it seems people forgot the other two 'R's ... Reduce, Reuse.. then when you can't do that, recycle.
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by switch007 on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:21PM
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You mean shame the producers?
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by saulpw on Thursday October 12, 2023 @04:44PM
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Shame is not a viable mechanism at scale (particularly across cultures). Particularly with the rise of extreme partisanship, shame lobbed at one group will be turned into an identity and used provactively (see e.g. "rolling coal").
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by kalupa on Thursday October 12, 2023 @06:19PM
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you may be seeing a "guilt based society" trying to use a "shame based society" mores, here. we don't live in a shame based society, so it fails to do it's work pretty quickly ...
but then there's the rise in popularity of "just not giving a shit at all" and morality left the building long, long ago ...
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by adasdasdas on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:05PM
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Under a capitalist system, you just need to force people to pay for the externalized cost so incentives align.
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by dragonwriter on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:09PM
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Arguably, any system of assessing and forcing people to pay for the assessed external costs is at odds with capitalism (it is arguably a form of central planning and interference with the free market).
Which is not to say that it isn't a good idea, and the minimum deviation necessary from capitalism to address externalities, but ideological capitalism/free-market purists tend to oppose it pretty strongly.
Re:Nearly half a billion small tech items thrown away
by saulpw on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:29PM
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"Capitalism" does not mean "free market". It literally means that the profits go to investors (capital) instead of to the workers (labor). You can certainly have a capitalist system that does not have a free market, and you can certainly have a free market system that is not capitalism.