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Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by ethanbond on Thursday October 12, 2023 @08:36AM (#37856326)
There’s no conflict. Developers are building and selling as soon as they can. That’s their job and that’s their business model.

The people withholding units from the market are your normal landlords and speculators who can stomach reduced rents in the income. They need to be taxed out of existence. LVT continues to be the right answer here, both for incentivizing development and disincentivizing speculation/holdouts.

Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by nameless912 on Thursday October 12, 2023 @08:42AM (#37856383)
Another option that I really like is forcing rent control on landlords who don't have at least 80% occupancy. Don't want to reduce your rents to market rate? Fine, the law will do that for you.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by ckdarby on Thursday October 12, 2023 @08:48AM (#37856442)
Places like Vancouver, Canada do this through a vacancy tax. It doesn't appear to do much as those leaving the unit vacant are the extreme wealthy and just factor in the tax to the cost of maintaining the house.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by usefulcat on Thursday October 12, 2023 @09:12AM (#37856706)
Then the tax is too low to achieve the desired effect?
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by lazide on Thursday October 12, 2023 @09:27AM (#37856845)
And/or not being applied effectively due to corruption or folks lying/hiding empty units.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by nameless912 on Thursday October 12, 2023 @10:42AM (#37857854)
I always love this counterargument to penalty based enforcement in these sorts of situations. "The penalties don't seem to have the desired effect!" Then the natural conclusion is that they aren't high enough.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by usefulcat on Thursday October 12, 2023 @10:51AM (#37858027)
If that's not a reasonable conclusion in this particular case, I'm interested in knowing why.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by shuckles on Thursday October 12, 2023 @08:44AM (#37856396)
The vacancy rate suggests most vacant units are in-between occupants, something you'd require for a healthy market. The vacancy rate should probably be double what it is -- it's probably at historic lows.

Edit: Yep, vacant units per capita are at historic lows. We have a construction problem not a vacancy problem: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=131FW#0.

Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by dv_dt on Thursday October 12, 2023 @09:27AM (#37856844)
That definition of vacant does not seem include empty units with owners elsewhere.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by Ajedi32 on Thursday October 12, 2023 @09:42AM (#37856982)
You're reading it wrong. Those would count as vacant.

> In addition, a vacant unit may be one which is entirely occupied by persons who have a usual residence elsewhere.

Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by dv_dt on Thursday October 12, 2023 @09:56AM (#37857197)
The sentence says “may”. And the previous sentence says “ A housing unit is vacant if no one is living in it at the time of the interview, unless its occupants are only temporarily absent.”

I guess we would have to read further on how they determine temporary. But given the sampling method, I would guess people doing a door to door survey and noting it as temporary absent if it’s well kept?

Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by shuckles on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:57PM (#37863704)
The FED graph uses census vacancy data, which is what I’m assuming the original article does as well. So the metric is apples to apples.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by dv_dt on Thursday October 12, 2023 @09:26AM (#37856834)
That definition of vacant does not seem include empty units with owners.
Re:Millions of Homes Still Being Kept Vacant as Housing Cost... by ethanbond on Thursday October 12, 2023 @10:32AM (#37857715)
We have both problems, but the issue with low construction is not developers simply deciding not to build and/or building but deciding not to sell.

The headwinds on construction are labor shortages, material shortages, zoning, and land prices. Zoning and land prices are both also alleviated by LVT.