"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla engineer says

Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by dmitshur on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:48PM (#37852564)

This makes me think of a recent experience I can relate to. I got a new iPhone that has a feature called, and I quote, an "Always-On display." According to https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213435:

  Always-On display goes dark when you don't need it
 
  To save battery life, the display is completely dark when:
 
  • Your iPhone is lying face down
  • Your iPhone is in your pocket or bag
  • [...]

These seem reasonable to me, at least they haven't caused any noticeable problems. But it goes on, including:

  • You haven't used your iPhone for a while
    (your iPhone learns your activity patterns
    and turns the display off and on accordingly,
    including if you set up an alarm or sleep schedule)

This one's kinda infuriating. Every now and then, it's dark when I look at it, and I try to repeatedly "teach" it that I'm not asleep and it shouldn't have gone dark, or give up and try to ignore that it's not doing what I expected from it.

What makes it frustrating more than anything is the feature's name: "Always-On display." If not for that, I think its actual best-effort behavior is fairly reasonable.

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by codeTired on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:04PM (#37852681)

That’s actually comical.

I guess the words soon will have no meaning.

“Hey, come to our new casino! Everyone wins always”(by winning we mean everyone has a great time so even when they lose they actually win).

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by masswerk on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:24PM (#37852811)

It's a verified fact that words have meaning.

*) Disclaimer: neither "verified" nor "fact" implies by any means that somebody believes that the stated and/or expressed sentiment or observation is actually true.

**) Neither "somebody" nor "nobody" imply the presence, existence, or absence of existence of a sentient being, nor does "believe" imply a cognitive process or state of mind. Neither do "observations" or "express" imply an activity by any sentient, semi-sentient, or algorithmic agency, nor is "true" an expression of judgement.

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by cortesoft on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:15PM (#37852751)

There was a car wash in my home town that had a giant sign that said in big letters “Unlimited car wash! Wash as long as you want!*”

And then in fine print, “*-up to 20 minutes”

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by pasttense01 on Thursday October 12, 2023 @07:07PM (#37864342)

Of course the big examples concerning "unlimited" are the "unlimited" data plans of cell phone companies.

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by codeTired on Friday October 13, 2023 @03:36PM (#37874628)

I actually have unlimited car wash subscription. Well it was 12.99 but since I washed too much it went up to 19.99. Absolutely hilarious .

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by ihuman on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:24PM (#37852812)

Everyone wins always (if you include the casino itself)

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by kr0bat on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:27PM (#37852832)

Android's always-on display turns off most of the screen, besides a clock and set of notification icons. And the display constantly shifts to avoid burning out the screen.

It looks like iOS, on the other hand, just dims your lockscreen slightly? I can see why they'd have to get smart with how often they leave the display on. It'd be distracting while you're trying to sleep and sounds like a battery killer. In a way, Apple may be using the phrase "Always-on display" more literally than you'd expect, even if it is less practical.

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by immibis on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:29PM (#37852847)

Android has always-on when charging in the developer options.

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by psunavy03 on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:01PM (#37852666)

iOS has been driving me batty ever since they decided that you don't actually want a cursor, you must want to select a whole word.

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by TerrifiedMouse on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:37PM (#37852890)

Now the only way to get a cursor is to tap and hold.

Why this change? Was double tapping to select a word too difficult to understand for most users. It’s not like tap and hold to get a cursor to insert words/punctuation as any more intuitive.

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by mslt on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:29PM (#37853192)

You can hold down the space bar on the keyboard and drag to open a full-featured cursor

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by mslt on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:30PM (#37853201)

Touch and hold space, you receive haptic feedback and you can drag the cursor at will, using the keyboard pane as a touchpad

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Re:"Full Self-Driving" doesn't imply autonomy, Tesla enginee... by atomicUpdate on Thursday October 12, 2023 @12:35AM (#37853521)

> your iPhone learns your activity patterns

I always turn off any of these “learning” features, if possible. They are never correct. The worst part is when you do something different one day, and suddenly it thinks you’ve permanently changed your behavior.

I’ll never understand where the confidence in these features comes from.

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