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Re:Google is making their weak, flawed passkey system the de... by oooyay on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:39PM (#37835060)
Disagree. Accessing my phone will only get you so far. If you manage to crack my password manager then you'll have many, but not all the keys to my kingdom. For instance, there's a lot of randomly generated passwords in there, but you won't have access to my disk encryption keys for instance. Those are also different by machine.

Security will never be automated to be fool proof; there is a modicum of thought the user needs to put into their security profile.

Re:Google is making their weak, flawed passkey system the de... by krupan on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:45PM (#37835133)
your phone, but the complaint in the original article is about those who don't use great security practices, which is most of us. Passkeys limit the attack surface to just your phone. With passkeys, attackers can't get your password (that regular people reuse everywhere) from some weak website or from phishing and then use that to impersonate you. We must go to something like passkeys.
Re:Google is making their weak, flawed passkey system the de... by lbhdc on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:52PM (#37835203)
GP seemed to be talking about physical access.

How would passkeys stop them if they are are in physical possession of the device and can unlock it? It doesn't seem passkeys protect you more here.

Re:Google is making their weak, flawed passkey system the de... by krupan on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:57PM (#37835274)
I was trying to acknowledge that. Passkeys, passwords, same result if someone has physical access to your phone. The improvement is that passwords don't require physical access to your phone, there are other ways to steal those like with phishing or hacking a website that has a copy of a password that you reused. Passkeys solve that problem.
Re:Google is making their weak, flawed passkey system the de... by oooyay on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:51PM (#37835196)
That's fair; I just don't know that security will ever get to a point that's both easy for everyone and secure, but maybe I'm being a pessimist.
Re:Google is making their weak, flawed passkey system the de... by krupan on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @01:55PM (#37835250)
It will never get to that point completely, but we can definitely make strides towards it
Re:Google is making their weak, flawed passkey system the de... by croes on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:50PM (#37851379)
Passkeys makes your phone the only target, without your phone you can't access anything but with your phone you can access everything.