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Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday October 08, 2023 @04:51PM (#37814290)
> taking transit in, especially for an evening event, is often not a reasonable option

If it’s that much of a hassle, for most entertainment one commutes into Manhattan for, you are fine paying the toll on an Uber. People driving themselves in and sensitive to the toll are, by definition, not adding much to the local economy.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by ghaff on Sunday October 08, 2023 @04:58PM (#37814345)
I'm basically $200-300 round-trip to get a car to take me into the city. At that point, I'm probably going to make a weekend out of it whether I take commuter rail in or not--and I'm not going to do it very often. We're talking probably a thousand dollars at that point between hotel and transportation and whatever the actual activity is.

(And I'm not sure from a driving in perspective what's actually been gained relative to me taking my own car in and parking in a garage which is what I usually do.)

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday October 08, 2023 @05:03PM (#37814384)
> basically $200-300 round-trip to get a car to take me into the city

The congestion charge will be between $9 and $23. For certain parts of Manhattan. During certain hours. It sounds like your problem is where you live, fundamentally, not the charge.

> a thousand dollars at that point between hotel and transportation

You do see how, from a resident's perspective, you spending more money less frequently is not a downside?

> what's actually been gained relative to me taking my own car in and parking in a garage

A reduction in space wasted to parking. Also, congestion: your car adds a car to the road. (You're also a non-professional driver in a dense urban environment.)

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by Spooky23 on Sunday October 08, 2023 @05:49PM (#37814718)
"Certain parts of Manhattan" is south of 66th St.

The things that people want to deal with the PITA of living in Manhattan over depend on volume of people. COVID and WTF killed commercial office traffic - now that it's getting dark early take a walk up 3rd Avenue in the late afternoon - the offices are empty.

So the residents don't want to deal with commuters, don't want to deal with drivers, etc. Cool. I don't want to hear about bailing people out of their $2M mortgages on 800 ft^2 apartments when the cultural, dining and entertainment that brought them to Manhattan migrates to Brooklyn and Jersey.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by nerdponx on Monday October 09, 2023 @07:14AM (#37819146)
> I don't want to hear about bailing people out of their $2M mortgages on 800 ft^2 apartments

Real estate crashing would save NYC from itself.

Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by nerdponx on Sunday October 08, 2023 @05:54PM (#37814739)
I don't get this. Garage parking + bridge tolls + gas can't cost more than $100 to drive into NYC. Boston even less due to no bridge tolls and shorter distances.
Re:The NYC's MTA 20 Year Needs Assessment Reminds Us They Ca... by ghaff on Sunday October 08, 2023 @06:24PM (#37814961)
The context was the claim I shouldn't drive into Boston. That's the cost for getting a taxi or other car service. Which, as I said in another comment, isn't clear to me how it makes a difference but it apparently does because I'm not a "professional driver."