Re:A more mature take on stateless Terraform
by dlkmp on Sunday October 08, 2023 @09:58AM
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Interesting example. For context, I have only experience with Azure Bicep so "no state" is my default assumption on IAC languages.
Do you in practice really use random names? In my experience, I'd just use a loop vm01...vm10 for the names and the passwords aren't needed to identify an instance after the deployment so here randomness isn't an issue.
Random choice of subnet is a better example, random names is definitely not common.
Random passwords, write-only attributes (like database master passwords) are the most common.
How do you express “create a DB with this strong password, then put it in a s3 object”, then later “actually put it in SSM rather than s3”?
Re:A more mature take on stateless Terraform
by dlkmp on Sunday October 08, 2023 @02:28PM
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We cannot, okay, I see the point. Up to now, I considered the inability to express modifications on existing resources a limitation of the declarative model but I can see how adding state can help here.
With Bicep, we mostly deploy only the initial state and then we either re-deploy the whole thing or, if this isn't possible due to the interruptions this causes, add migration scripts in an imperative language (az cli/ pwsh). Which is admittedly the much less elegant approach.
How can you express this without state? Or more generally, any “random_password”, “random_choice” etc, or even anything that is a “write only” property
You can’t. So this is dead in the water.