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Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dzign on Saturday October 07, 2023 @03:39PM (#37804853)
Google regrets publishing this paper!
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by mensetmanusman on Saturday October 07, 2023 @03:52PM (#37804976)
It’s probably Nobel worth based on its world impact.
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by numbers_guy on Saturday October 07, 2023 @04:31PM (#37805266)
World impact is not how Nobels are won. If that was the case Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Zuckerberg and others would all have multiple ones.

I honestly do not see this paper as being in the same magnitude of brilliance as a typical Nobel would be. Not to mention that it barely counts as science (actually it probably does not). Don't get me wrong. It is a huge achievement for both the machine learning research field and for humanity as a whole, but putting along the achievements of Nobel physicists and such feels wrong.

Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dvngnt_ on Saturday October 07, 2023 @06:02PM (#37805927)
objectively speaking what makes them so much better?
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dinvlad on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:28PM (#37805724)
What impact?
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by esafak on Saturday October 07, 2023 @06:19PM (#37806017)
It's used in all sorts of models, like LLMs and image generators. It's probably the most popular foundation of advanced ML models today.
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dinvlad on Saturday October 07, 2023 @10:14PM (#37807284)
Right, but what is their "world impact"?
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by esafak on Sunday October 08, 2023 @01:01AM (#37807987)
That of allowing people to generate, synthesize, and transform all major modalities of media, from text, to audio and video, for peanuts, instantly.

They create immense economic value and increase productivity.

Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by KptMarchewa on Sunday October 08, 2023 @01:16AM (#37808042)
It's deniable right now. Future looks bright for them, but impact _now_ is more smoke than actual effect.
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dinvlad on Monday October 09, 2023 @12:04AM (#37816830)
On top of that, they face massive lawsuits for violating existing IP etc. It's far from a proven business model indeed (heck, OpenAI isn't even profitable yet), and even further as a technology (because it is so inherently unreliable - no matter the model size).

So atm they just sell hype, and not much more.

Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dzign on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:33PM (#37805748)
You mean a Turing Award...
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by akomtu on Saturday October 07, 2023 @07:17PM (#37806334)
Nobel is a vanity certificate. The author of that paper must have made more money than whatever the Nobel committee would have given to him.
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by mensetmanusman on Saturday October 07, 2023 @11:01PM (#37807531)
Isn’t Nobel like $1M?
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by abhishekjha on Saturday October 07, 2023 @03:55PM (#37805003)
Not sure if sarcasm or not.
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by nothrowaways on Saturday October 07, 2023 @04:45PM (#37805399)
Why do you think it's sarcasm?
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dzign on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:01PM (#37805523)
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by Alifatisk on Saturday October 07, 2023 @04:32PM (#37805274)
Here’s the thing, if google didn’t publish this paper, it would probably just collect dust somewhere at Google.

OpenAi (ClosedAi) saw the potential and demonstrated its impressive and unbelievable capabilities!

If Google never shared the transformer model with the world, we would probably not have what we have today.

Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by dzign on Saturday October 07, 2023 @04:56PM (#37805483)
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:05PM (#37805557)
Very much disagree. Google clearly saw the potential of this as well, and did a ton of work and created a lot of leading models based on this.

The big difference between Google and OpenAI is that Google "had a ton more to lose" so to speak and went forward much more cautiously. See all the hullaballoo they had to deal with e.g. with their "Ethical AI" group and the Timnit Gebru fiasco, as well as cases like where that dim bulb Google employee claimed that LaMDA was sentient. OpenAI, on the other hand, was "full speed ahead" from the get-go.

As a result, many of the top AI researchers left Google. After all, wouldn't you rather work at a place where you could see your work productized as fast as you could build it, rather than at a place where other sizable teams in your company were actively working in an adversarial role to put up roadblocks and vetoes wherever they could?

Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by moralestapia on Saturday October 07, 2023 @07:02PM (#37806245)
Very sensible comment, agree with it.

I still think that the big cos. (Google, MS, Oracle, ...) will win the AI race in the medium/long term as they have a huge momentum behind them, so they didn't really "miss" anything.

ChatGPT is much better than Google Search, though!

Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by KptMarchewa on Sunday October 08, 2023 @01:17AM (#37808046)
OpenAI is basically front for Microsoft now.
Re:"Attention is all you need" paper digested by random3 on Saturday October 07, 2023 @05:21PM (#37805678)
Maybe, but it would have surfaced regardless, either directly or through related things. While the transformer may evolve into the next thing, it's equaly likely the next evolution will be unrelated to transformer.

Moreover while the transformers and current LLMs are a leap, the monoculture around them is not necessarily a good thing, defocusing many good researchers from otherwise promising tech.

Finally, cross-polination of ideas is where the magic happens.