> Many CCC spaces currently require proof of vaccination, daily testing and rigorous masking,

Crazy to see those types of measures still in place as we’re more than half-way through 2023. That’s a good way to self-select their members, I guess.

> Crazy to see those types of measures still in place as we’re more than half-way through 2023.

Just because politicians have "declared" the pandemic over, it is by far not over yet - we are still seeing significant excess mortality [1], and across Germany many companies are complaining about significant amounts of people on sick leave, most noticeably in public transit. Guess where that comes from... it's a lot of Covid.

SARS-CoV-2 is an incredibly dangerous virus and way too many people aren't even doing air purifiers any more because these are "too expensive to run" and whatnot.

[1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d...

i think the pandemic is really over, it is endemic. I wonder when we will get back to baseline or whether we will have to live with deadlier virus than what's usual for some time. Just keep in mind that the flu isn't as harmless as it's usually portrait. Older or otherwise more vulnerable parts of the population died every year, with some really bad years. It's in some way part of life, a risk is always present.

But looking at the statistics in your link it is not that obvious, as it looks like the excess mortality slowly converges to zero.

Considering covid safety measures also help avoid the flu, the common cold, Norovirus and RSV, it'd be wise if we as society found a way to keep them up even if COVID becomes endemic.

Especially considering how with every previous congress the congress flu had infected the vast majority of participants and caused them to be bedridden for the 1-2 weeks after.

It’s the new normal, the virus is here to stay. I’ve already had it like most people and I don’t think it’s a bad thing to give my immune system practice.

I got covid in november of 2022. I've had massive problems with my blood pressure and pulse and have been unable to smell ever since.

"Giving the immune system practice" doesn't apply to covid. Every single covid infection makes the immune system weaker.

Your suggestion is akin to saying condoms are unnecessary, everyone should just get HIV and we should just accept the new normal.

There's no easy way out of this pandemic, just like there was no easy way out of the HIV pandemic.

As others have stated the pandemic is over and it’s now an endemic.

Everyone’s health situation is different, but I think comparing this to HIV is a bit of a stretch.

I do wish everyone has the choice to decide what works for themselves. In my case, I do just that and I don’t subject myself to anything I don’t want.

Source on "vast majority"? Maybe CCC is the exception, but getting sick after going to a conference is definitely not the norm. I'd guess prevalence is ~1% based on my anecdotal evidence knowing people who attend conferences every month.

Being bedridden for 1-2 weeks after getting the flu is also very uncommon since the fever lasts 3-4 days on average. Here's a graph of viral load over a typical 5.5 day infection: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/cms/asset/3a62f972-1633-4...

> Maybe CCC is the exception, but getting sick after going to a conference is definitely not the norm.

It's very common if you have a high number of international participants. In Munich, the most nasty occurrence has its own name: "Wiesngrippe", named after the Oktoberfest which serves as a living petri dish with millions of people, but it's also common after the huge trade fairs (e.g. Bauma).

Service staff are hit hardest because many of them don't take off days if they're sick - they power through for as long as they can (because they can make above 15.000€ in the two weeks!) and end up spreading all the germs around.

In addition to that, SARS-CoV-2 is suspected to be able to induce immune amnesia similar to what can be observed after measles - anecdotally, I've been incredibly sensitive towards anything from the common cold to outright influenza ever since I caught COVID last year. It's no fun to travel anywhere when you know you'll catch some bug because yet another moron decided to not at least wear a mask or stay home when sick.

[1] https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/muenchen/das-verdient-e...

Well, society ignored the problem of infection through aerosols far too long.

Now at least some care is taken, and some spaces bought and configured large air filter systems to allow unmasking without infection risk.

You don't want a ransomware infected, malware spreading windows 95 PC in your intranet either unless it's heavily firewalled.

> Now at least some care is taken, and some spaces bought and configured large air filter systems to allow unmasking without infection risk.

You mean reduced infection risk. It's impossible to eliminate completely. And my gut feeling tells me that most people overestimate the amount of risk reduction caused by these air filters.

I beg you, please implement a strict booster requirement for the congress. Just add a requirement to the form. The Congress traditionally draws a lot of vulnerable people from marginalized communities. It is your duty to protect them.

Strictly excluding those rejecting the vaccine will also select against right-wing extremists (which they generally are), so there would be an additional strongly protective factor at play.

c3gelb and CERT are afaik responsible for planning the hygiene concept.

Complaints or suggestions made here will likely fall on deaf ears.

Shit idea.

Boosters are not widely available in many countries for people outside the risk group.

In a lot of places you simply cannot get a booster currently unless you are a healthcare worker, or documented risk group.

No, you can’t even get them privately at this time either.

Then they should just be up-to-date with their latest available booster shot.

Imagine a Congress without right-wing extremists at all.

Have right-wing extremists ever been a problem at the Congress?

Have you heard about fefe and his following?

Is that a yes? My question was not a rhetorical one.

I occasionally read his blog, but "right-wing extremist" would not be one of the words I'd use to describe his content. I know nothing about his following. IIRC he is also vaccinated so not sure where this is headed.

The last available booster shot in many places was the third shot, way back in I think 2021.

That’s “the most up to date and available booster” in many countries.

The boosters since have been often only available to healthcare workers, the elderly, or those with preexisting conditions.

Are you looking to exclude entire nationalities of people from attending? For instance, in Finland it is not possible to receive another booster unless you are elderly or in a vulnerable risk group.