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Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by xkcd-sucks on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:11PM (#37785818)
Coding is basically management (not in the 'leadership' sense, but in the 'directing' sense); by comparison the things carrying out instructions are more predictable in behavior, and you can FAFO due to high speed and low cost of iteration. Some people really do need instructions made more precise and explicit than computer code!
Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by talent_deprived on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:27PM (#37785921)
> Coding is basically management

Coding...is engineering. Put the world behind the wheel of a car and they can make it go places. This...does not make them an automotive mechanic.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by Melting_Harps on Friday October 06, 2023 @07:58AM (#37789531)
> Coding...is engineering. Put the world behind the wheel of a car and they can make it go places. This...does not make them an automotive mechanic.

What a terrible analogy, just because you know the car's firmware doesn't mean you know how to properly diagnose something not related to the electronics (worn wheel bearings or suspension components) let alone how to diagnose or repair.

While I agree coding serves engineering, it's always funny to me how quick people want to use the term 'engineer' when it suits them, but then developer when things go wrong and accountability is on the table. Furthermore, engineers tend to have licenses in their respective fields, something I don't personally agree with, and to this day I have yet to see the same in IC roles.

Sidenote: As a former tech (mechanic) there were times when you would question not just an engineer's competence, but their entire sanity given how something was deployed, and needed to come up with a work-around for it to function correctly; which is why I think coders (at least the proficient ones) are more like techs.

Re:I’m not a programmer, and I used AI to build my first bot by xkcd-sucks on Friday October 06, 2023 @02:53PM (#37794696)
"Operations Research and Management", basically quantitatively focused MBA, is considered an engineering discipline. Whether or not it is Real Engineering is maybe a matter of contention, but so is the question of whether "software engineering" is Real Engineering; anyway the point being the separation between "engineering" and "management" can be a bit fuzzy