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Re:LLMs Confabulate Not Hallucinate by TeMPOraL on Thursday October 05, 2023 @08:51AM (#37777935)
> Just wait until you learn about organized religion it’ll blow your mind.

That gets super complicated, because arguably religion is less about its content, and more about the community. The hunger for connection isn't going away.

In a sense, religion is the perfect intersubjective phenomenon - the actual beliefs don't objectively matter and can be arbitrary[0], what's important is that everyone in your community subscribes to the same arbitrary set of beliefs. Traditions and proclamations are effective proxies for community cohesion.

(Arguably, national propaganda is the same story, just played on fast-forward.)

Point being, religion is much more than being smooth talked into believing nonsense. It digs roots deep into how humans form societies.

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[0] - Mostly. Some beliefs are more sticky or self-reinforcing in the real world than others. Religious beliefs undergo natural selection too.

Re:LLMs Confabulate Not Hallucinate by throwaway4aday on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:28AM (#37778350)
Yes it generalizes well beyond religion. All you need is something that distinguishes you and your group from others, something that is relatively easy to achieve but requires a sign of commitment. It can be how you speak, what you say, what you wear, what you eat, what you say you believe, anything really.
Re:LLMs Confabulate Not Hallucinate by mattigames on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:33AM (#37778395)
The people I'm less attracted to connect with are religious people, I actually have to force myselft to overlook the religiosity of my mother to live in harmony with her, but it does require effort I rather not do with anybody else. So maybe that's not the whole story, or maybe it's just a modern pitfall that wasn't as important in older times.
Re:LLMs Confabulate Not Hallucinate by klibertp on Thursday October 05, 2023 @10:03AM (#37778765)
> Religious beliefs undergo natural selection too.

All memes do - that's why their name is based on genes. What's interesting is discovering clusters of memes that are self-reinforcing and are passed down consistently, without deviating too much from the original (while still allowing changes), over a long period of time. Arguably, religions built around such clusters have an easier time getting adherents and can get resurrected tens or hundreds of years after being nominally defeated or purged. So I don't think the "actual beliefs (mostly) don't objectively matter" characterization is warranted. I think they do matter a lot from the evolutionary standpoint; not so much for any of the current adherents, but for their grandchildren and later descendants.

To what extent the memetic content carries the institution versus how much an established institution contributes to propagating the content is unclear to me. There's definitely a relationship there, a complex interplay between vested interests, provided services, and people's needs and expectations. As you said, religion is much more than just a set of "nonsense" people get talked into. This makes it hard to discern the real utility of a particular nonsense for ensuring the religion survival.

Re:LLMs Confabulate Not Hallucinate by mistermann on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:55AM (#37780243)
One rarely discussed peculiarity about religion is that it distorts reality for both believers and non-believers (as one can see by observing how anti-religious people discuss what religion "is", what religious people believe, etc).

Possibly relevant:

LLMs confabulate not hallucinate

https://www.beren.io/2023-03-19-LLMs-confabulate-not-halluci...

Re:LLMs Confabulate Not Hallucinate by fao_ on Thursday October 05, 2023 @12:43PM (#37780843)
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