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Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by oblio on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:32AM (#37776177)
I'm not sure about your angle here, but I thought IQ was calibrated to have 100 as the average value?

So wouldn't 80 mean that someone is... kinda dumb?

Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by steve1977 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:50AM (#37776297)
I guess the problem is that the term "intelligent" is ambiguous and overloaded.

So in one usage someone who is kinda dumb would still be intelligent, just less intelligent than others.

In another usage, we use the term to describe someone of above average intelligence (which is technically not really correct and actually not very intelligent).

Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by oblio on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:18AM (#37776800)
> So in one usage someone who is kinda dumb would still be intelligent, just less intelligent than others.

100 IQ = 50% of the population is smarter than this.

80 IQ = not sure what the percentage is, but >50% of the population is smarter than this.

If any of the tables here are to be believed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_classification#Historical_I...

then 80 IQ could mean 80% of the population is smarter.

I'll rephrase my "kinda dumb" to "dumb as rocks".

Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by billyjmc on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:19AM (#37778230)
From the main Wiki entry on IQ tests: “The raw score of the norming sample is usually (rank order) transformed to a normal distribution with mean 100 and standard deviation 15.”

So, you’re not too far off numerically. 80 IQ is only a -1.33 Z-score. So, 9th percentile. 91% of people score higher than 80 IQ.

Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by throwaway20304 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @04:54AM (#37776331)
Kinda dumb, but still intelligent. The sibling comment explains it well.
Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by oblio on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:18AM (#37776804)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37776800

If by "intelligent" you're comparing with other primates, too, sure :-)

Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by throwaway20304 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @09:36AM (#37778437)
My point is, it's not a comparison at all. Intelligence is a trait, you either have it or not. We also use the same word for "how smart you are", but that measurement doesn't change anything about AI being intelligent or not. It can be dumb, but intelligent.
Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by oblio on Thursday October 05, 2023 @10:20AM (#37778956)
There's little value in that statement.

Intelligence is IMO an inherently comparative measure.

It's not "on/off", it's "smarter" (than a pile of rocks, than a slug, than another human).

So, yeah, you can be a dumb human but you'd be a smart chimpanzee. But we want to be comparing apples with apples in the context of this topic.

When people say "AI", everyone implicitly assumes the comparison with human intelligence. So "AI" needs to be as smart as the average human to be actual AI. Ok, AGI, if you prefer that term.

There's a reason AI is moving farther and farther away and we're creating new, finer, terms like ML, shape recognition, etc.

Re:Security Weaknesses of Copilot Generated Code in GitHub by throwaway20304 on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:17AM (#37779692)
I don't know anybody who implicitly assumes that the I in AI is a comparison, people around me understand it as a term for a set of traits, regardless of the level of performance. That's how the term AGI came to be, to distinguish between "intelligent but not necessarily like a human" (AI) and "intelligent like a human" (AGI).

Do you also think that "intelligent alien life in space" means comparable to humans? What if we find something capable of reasoning, abstract thinking, rationality, adaptibility, etc - but much, much dumber than humans? That's intelligence, comparison to humans doesn't change anything about that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence - how could there be animal intelligence if "intelligence" means comparable to humans? "Crows are intelligent but nowhere near human-level" - this statement wouldn't make any sense if you're right, but it actually does make sense, IMHO.

> There's a reason AI is moving farther and farther away and we're creating new, finer, terms like ML, shape recognition, etc.

That thing with AI is called moving goalposts. And the finer terms - yeah of course we need to be able to be specific about our software, doesn't mean that's not AI. Shape recognition is talked about in neuropsychology for much longer than in AI, and many more terms that will certainly be soon reused.