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Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by thelastgallon on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:09AM (#37737581)
To put this in context, fossil fuel subsidies, just from 2015 - 2022: $42 trillion

Global Fossil Fuel Subsidies Reached $7 Trillion in 2022: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022

Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by mrtksn on Monday October 02, 2023 @09:20AM (#37737710)
This number appears to include the implicit subsidies too. The explicit subsidies seem to average at about 1/5th of the implicit ones. Implicit subsidies appear to be stuff like not putting a charge on the cost for external impacts, i.e. impact to health.

The implicit subsidies to electric car companies could similar or even greater, as it appears that most of the microplastics come from car tires, as discussed recently[0]. The impact of electric cars could be quite big because they are significantly heavier and large part of the emissions attributable to a car come at the manufacturing stage anyway.

It’s also the whole global economy, so kind of hard to compare with Tesla Inc subsidies.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37726539

Not defending the fossil subsidies, just a poor comparison.

Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by mrtksn on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:39AM (#37738742)
I just spent some time responding to a reply that was deleted before I hit the reply button. I don't want it wasted.

The comment:

>In my experience, people who talk a lot about maintaining or "breaking narratives" aren't doing so out of a position of intellectual honesty, they're doing so from an ideological position they'd like to promote. Do you have strong feelings about Musk as an individual? Do you think those feelings influence how you feel about Tesla as an operation? It's a tricky conversation to navigate, given that Musk is such a polarizing figure, often these discussions just end up being a fans/haters debate from which I think there's little to be gained.

my reply:

>I don't know about all those people you know but I think I clearly explained why I find this comparison poor.

Anyway, click my username and click "comments" and you can find my comments about and Tesla. My accounts is 11 years old, plenty of stuff there, obviously I changed my mind on many topics multiple times so don't hold assume that I necessarily believe the same thing I believed 5 years ago.

Just hours ago I defended some of his actions in managing Twitter, you can find positive, negative and wishful comments about musk. You can find negative comments on Tesla FSD and positive comments on Tesla's impact on the car industry, pushing it away from fossils.

Happy? How is your prejudice doing now?

Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by edgyquant on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:36AM (#37738705)
Seems dishonest to compare a single American company to a global industry containing way more than just transportation fuel.
Re:Subsidies Awarded to Tesla Inc: at least $2,829,855,494 a... by l33t7332273 on Monday October 02, 2023 @04:48PM (#37744211)
Even more dishonest is including implicit subsidies right next to actual cash payouts.