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Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by upbeat_general on Sunday October 01, 2023 @10:49PM (#37733397)
I am actually curious who is using these types of GPUs (H100 currently). Is it exclusively used for LLM training?

I can’t really see another market where it’d make sense.

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by justapassenger on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:37PM (#37733689)
> Is it exclusively used for LLM training?

While LLMs is what cool kids all talk about nowadays, there's way, way, way more to the machine learning than them. I'd say that minority of GPUs are used for LLMs in the ML space. There's likely way more used them where they directly bring billions of dollars to the companies (like all the rankers across big tech, for content, ads, search, etc).

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by upbeat_general on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:43PM (#37733720)
Are they price-competitive for those applications though? My understanding is that the main focus is Memory/GPU-interconnect for large models.

Are recommendation/ranking models large enough to take advantage of this? I don't think these cards are generally competitive in throughput/$.

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by refulgentis on Monday October 02, 2023 @12:14PM (#37740162)
It's not really clear what you mean, maybe there's gaps in my ML knowledge, but generally the answer depends on "what throughput do you need for your use case?"

Generally I agree that if you only need to deliver mail once daily on a mile long route, a car that takes 24 hours to travel a mile is fine.

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by upbeat_general on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:53PM (#37745553)
Lots of ML applications don't generally care about latency, and throughput only matters per dollar (as you can just scale horizontally).

To my knowledge, most inferencing (at least for simpler models) happens on cheaper, slower GPUs that have better throughput/dollar.

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by ShamelessC on Monday October 02, 2023 @05:31AM (#37735884)
Don’t take this the wrong way but have you been drinking?
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by refulgentis on Monday October 02, 2023 @12:12PM (#37740126)
? Have you? (Note I'm not op)
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by justapassenger on Monday October 02, 2023 @12:36PM (#37740608)
Do you have any idea of the scale of ranking infrastructure at big tech and how it’s been all ML for about a decade across the industry?
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by ShamelessC on Monday October 02, 2023 @05:38PM (#37744800)
Sorry, it was a rude comment to make based on some strange grammar I noticed. I compared with some of your prior comments and noticed you didn’t have any such issues before. I wasn’t being facetious or judgemental - genuinely curious. There’s not a non rude way to ask that, should have kept it to myself.
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by wmf on Sunday October 01, 2023 @10:53PM (#37733423)
Supercomputers also use them, like the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th largest ones.
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by Jordanpomeroy on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:56PM (#37747439)
The list of supercomputers using H100’s continues past #9
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by dkjaudyeqooe on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:30PM (#37733649)
> TDP 450W - 1000W

Also useful as a space heater.

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by pests on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:38PM (#37733696)
Literally. 1000w heaters going for $20 on amazon. Good savings!
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by lambda_matt on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:54PM (#37745561)
That's practically the TDP for an entire x1 chassis though. Check out the TDP for a H100 DGX Pod. The performance per watt of GH200 *should* be a massive improvement over x86 with Hopper, especially for clusters
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by uniclaude on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:26PM (#37733629)
Not only training. Inference as well.
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by ajcp on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:49PM (#37733762)
I feel like this is more and more in the majority too. So much so that AMD is talking about their chips for inference as much as training [0].

0. https://www.theverge.com/23894647/amd-ceo-lisa-su-ai-chips-n...

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by gyrovagueGeist on Monday October 02, 2023 @06:45PM (#37745479)
Although it is not as hyped, HPC is much wider than just machine learning. H100 are incredibly useful in numerical simulation and scientific computing.
Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by Jordanpomeroy on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:55PM (#37747433)
Already answered below, but the bulk of the market for H100’s appears to be AI. HPC was historically the largest market for this class of accelerator, but it appears to have shifted to hyper scale cloud computing centers.

HPC’s are used to distribute the computation of differential equations using numerical methods and AI appears to be making inroads here as well. I would be interested in others’ opinion on whether it’s a settled question on whether or not AI will be able to produce equivalent solutions.

Re:Nvidia Unveils Updated GH200 Grace Hopper with HBM3e Memo... by gyrovagueGeist on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @09:34PM (#37759862)
It's an iterative thing! Neural Network based surrogate models are becoming popular, but you need the compute to solve the PDEs to train the AI and compute the loss in the first place ;)