Care to name a laptop with the performance, size, weight, and battery life running x86 chips like the MacBook Air - and that won’t fry my nuts when on my lap or sound like a 747 from the fans running?

The Dell XPS 13 inch series was a great pick, and then there was an Asus series, I think the 'B' series, that weighed less than a macbook air, had much longer battery, and had far more ports. Also could be charged with only a usb c cable, no special adapter.

Why would you doubt there are better options? The whole thing about the PC market is it has a much greater diversity of choices. It's silly to think Apple simply makes the best machine for a price point out of all available PC and Mac models.

All USB C MacBooks have always been able to be charged via USV C or MagSafe for the ones that come with it.

Was this the best you could do - worse performance, loud, poor battery life, poor display, poor audio?

The very first review I found

https://www.theverge.com/23674395/dell-xps-13-2022-intel-rev...

I’ll do the bottom line up front

In the past, the XPS 13 was a hands-down contender for the best laptop on the market. But the Apple-silicon MacBook has since barrelled onto the scene, and it wipes the floor with most of the ultraportable Windows laptops that cross my desk on a daily basis. This XPS is no exception. Compared to the M2 MacBook Air, battery life is worse. Benchmark performance is worse. Screen, while good, is worse. Port selection is worse.

And the rest.

So anyway, I’ve been using the regular XPS 13 for the past few weeks. And, like, it’s fine. It’s just fine. It’s worse than its 2020 predecessor in some ways and better in others. It continues to bring some of the best build quality in the 13-inch space. The display is fine. The speakers are fine. There’s an off-purple color option! It’s certainly one of the best Windows laptops you can buy, and it also doesn’t come close to the performance or efficiency that today’s MacBooks can provide, which says a thing or two about the current state of the Windows laptop space.

And the resolution is worse

Specifically, you’re limited to a 1920 x 1200 60Hz IPS panel

A similarly configured M2 MacBook Air is currently selling for $1,699, which makes Dell’s pricing attractive — though the performance benefits Apple delivers for that extra price aren’t insignificant, as we’ll soon discuss.

One thing to note about the XPS 13, though — the fans get going very easily. They were audible with a couple Chrome tabs and Slack open

Speaking of things that have improved: battery life. I averaged six hours and 42 minutes of consistent use around

You realize there are multiple XPS laptop models, right? Not to mention you are overexaggerating the alleged negative aspects quite a lot . Are you really that addicted to the Apple kool-aid?

Go look at some of the Asus models than if you think an XPS can't compete. Weighed less than a macbook air, more port including ethernet (via a HDMI port), something like 21 hours of battery life, weight was slightly under a pound IIRC.

There's plenty of other models/companies.

The biggest benefit? It's not Apple locking you into their ridiculous ecosystem. But I suspect you're fine with that. Pretty funny in another comment you talk about governments restricting geeks, yet you advocated for the most locked down nannyed device you can hand over money to buy.

So, now you’re going to find the Asus or Dell that has

- 16 hours battery life

- fanless

- doesn’t scorch my nuts

- performance?

- a decent display

- and doesn’t weigh a ton?

So please tell me how the Mac keeps you from running the software you want.

But you named how great the objectively shitty Dell is.

You’ve already struck out with the Dell, care to try again with Asus? Can you cite a review of an Asus that compares?

Even though the Dell sucks in every dimension, at least you have “freeduhm”

Yeah. I already told you there was an Asus that meets that criteria and has longer battery life.

Again, it's ridiculous to think Apple makes the very best lightweight powerful laptop given how diverse the PC market is. You're really durnk on that Apple kool-aid huh.

I didn't strike out with Dell at all. You found one review of one model and then exaggerated it.

You're the exact type of person that required coining the concept of an apple reality distortion field.

So somewhere there is an Asus, yet you can’t name it, can’t find a review of it and I’m suppose to just believe you based on your recommendation of a shitty Dell?

Again, the Dell wasn't shitty. You went out of your way to overexaggerate any flaws it may have had lol. I didn't even really check out your review because I've done my research in the past and know they have models that compete with macbooks. I told you it was an Asus B series, don't remember the exact model, but go visit their page. They advertise the fact it has more battery life and is lighter, it isn't hard to find.

The problem here is you're addicted to the Apple kool-aid and will bend over backwards to deny any non Apple product could be superior.

So you didn’t read the review because “you did your own research”.

Yet you can’t seem to find the magical XPS 13 and cite a review?

Did your “research” tell you that by every objective measure it’s worse? The resolution is four times worse, the battery is three times worse, it’s loud, it’s slow.

Here is the review of the Asus B series. The newest one I could find. The contemporary MacBook Air at the time which was better in every way came out in late 2020 and was cheaper.

Again from the Verge and it’s the nearest one I could find..

https://www.theverge.com/22239215/asus-expertbook-b9450-revi...

Just make sure you know what you’re getting — because the low-powered processor and deafening fans certainly aren’t ideal for everyone.

but potential buyers should be aware that the processor is mostly suitable for basic office tasks. More on that in a bit.

And it’s even worse than the Dell XPS 13 that you were bragging about.

The Core i7-10510U is a four-core processor that’s significantly lower-powered than the chips you’ll see in the best laptops on the market like the Dell XPS 13. It’s far from a workhorse.

So it’s slower, hotter, louder, with worse graphics and lower battery life.

I skimmed the review, it didn't match up with the models I had seen before, and seeing you basically flat out lie to overexaggerate some of the negative aspects made it easy to basically dismiss it and your reply.

I'm not putting any more effort into replying to you, other than typing in the reply box. Your point is asinine IMO, and I'm not interested in doing research to support what I already know, to someone who would bend over backwards to deny anything presented to them.

And that's the thing. You're going to believe whatever you want to believe, because Apple is the entity you worship religiously.

So which model did you have? You can’t find a review anywhere on the internet? You claim I’m the zealout. But every piece of third party evidence you dismiss?

What exactly did I “lie” about? Were the quotes from the Verge inaccurate? What did I over exaggerate?

You have presented nothing. No websites, no reviews, no model numbers.

You said you “researched” your purchase before you bought the your laptop. What websites did you do your research at?

This is what evidence looks like since you haven’t posted a single link.

Just post a citation. It just needs to start with https://

Or if that’s too much trouble , which Dell XPS 13 do you have that has great battery life, performance, cooling, fanless and a decent screen resolution?

I’ve told you exactly what I have - a MacBook M2 air with 16GB RAM and a 1TB drive.

Yeah, I've already said I'm not bothering to put effort into any reply to you. Yet you keep replying.

You can find models that compete with Macbook air on the vendor homepages.It's truly ridiculous to think Your Mac is the top of the top tier laptops available when it comes to balancing performance and battery. Believe whatever you want to buddy.

And still no evidence…

And still you reply...

I rather have Windows laptops that can replace a graphics workstation. a gaming PC on the go, or HPC on the go.

Markets Apple decided weren't worth their time.

It's amazing how many people are just loyal to Apple even when it doesn't make sense.

There was a time when PCs started having vastly better graphics cards, and Adobe started prioritizing development for PCs, but still graphic designers were buying Apple because 'it's what creatives use'.

You see this on the last bastion of people still hoping that Mac Pro desktop makes a proper comeback, instead of a Mac Studio in a bigger case.

Creatives buying Apple has always been mostly a North American phenomen, in Europe Apple only started being market relevant after the NeXT reverse acquisition, with iPod and iMacs rescuing it from insolvency.

Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.

In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.

That is why they manage 20% world market share on mobile devices, and about 10% across desktop and laptop devices.

Not everyone can buy a Bentley.

And the purpose of a for profit corporation is - to make a profit. Why should Apple care about going after the low end market? Only one Android maker makes any real profit - Samsung. How much of that is due to them also making some of their own components and having differentiated proprietary software that some people must like?

Again, we are getting back to the advantage of an integrated solution.

Most Android aficionados think that the Pixels are the best Android phones - another integrated product

At a 300 euro price point, integrated experience from Samsung, Huawei and Xioami are good enough for most folks.

That's a fantastic random fact that has absolutely no bearing on the point I made.

It’s not a “fantastic random fact”. It’s not America that has a weird fascination with Apple products. People with money who can afford to buy a better integrated product - choose to buy one.

The reason Apple products are more popular in the US is partially because people in the US have higher incomes and in the US, because if 0% interest payment plans and carrier subsidies, they are more affordable.

When people can, they buy the integrated product instead of worrying about some theoretical “freedoms” or running Linux on the Apple Pencil

Yeah, it was a random fact. Had no bearing on the point I made or the discussion with the other poster I was having.

Everything you've just said above is nonsense. People in the US have significantly lower incomes on average then most other western countries. You really don't seem to know what you're talking about. At all. Yet you feel the need to insert yourself into every conversation.

I won't be replying to you again, and by gods how I wish HN had a block function for people like you.

The US has the fifth highest income in the world

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in...

You mean people like me who have facts on their side?

You don't have facts, just blind religious zealotry and devotion to Apple.

The US might have the 5th highest income, but I said people in the US don't have higher incomes than other western countries on average.

The US has a crazy skewed income disparity. It's an extreme minority making high incomes, and it certainly doesn't support your rather silly argument.

No, the reason people in the US have much more of an Apple fixation than other countries is because Apple is seen as an elite/luxury item, and due to cultural reasons everyone wants to be seen as being able to afford/own that, even when there is no truth to it. Same reason some people pay ridiculous amounts for Balenciaga t-shirts.

OK, now I'm done.

So you do you disagree with the link I posted that the median income in the US is the fifth highest.

Again, you were wrong unless you can find a better citation. Because as of now, you have provided…nothing

> No, the reason people in the US have much more of an Apple fixation than other countries is because Apple is seen as an elite/luxury item,

Geeks just can’t stand the fact that when given the choice and have the ability, choose Apple devices and don’t care about running Linux on the Apple Pencil.

Can you name one country where higher income individuals don’t overwhelmingly by iPhones? It’s definitely true in China - the largest country in the world

That's completely made up.

I'm in the UK, and working in IT, I can assure you that everyone in my team can afford and iPhone.

Only one does.

The cashier at the supermarket have them, you can see them in the back pockets of folks stacking shelves. It's not a device that requires people to be wealthy to own, just a desire.