If you don't know who Robert Kagan, the PNAC and the Brookings Institute are, and what they have done to demolish sovereignty around the world since 2000, then you are not prepared for this conversation. I suggest you inform yourself about what policies Kagan is responsible for, the effect they have had on countless nations deemed 'inferior' by Americas ruling oligarchic classes, and then we can discuss the situation with regards to the similarities of Ukraine and Iraq in terms of America's utterly vile, evil foreign policy.

In a nutshell, the American policy "create the conditions so that they die in war, so we don't have to" has felled many a sovereign nation.

Without going into details about your positions (with which I couldn't disagree more), vague insinuations and "inform yourself" are not welcome here on HN. If you want to make an argument, be prepared to defend it yourself.

If you don't know who Robert Kagan is, or why he should be frog-marched into chains in The Hague immediately, I don't know why you'd interject in this conversation. He and his cronies are responsible for immense death, calamity and chaos in the world - it is incorrigible that someone would castigate China for its perceived faults, yet not know who ones own war criminals are ..