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Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by camillomiller on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:30AM (#37723300)
So, one is conditioned to “not have kid”, but having them is perfectly natural and there is absolutely no conditioning in wanting them?

When my partner in a childless relationship gets asked “but why?” when she says she doesn’t want children, her answer is this: “would you have asked the same question, had I said I want them?”

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by bigyikes on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:45AM (#37723374)
No, they would not have asked that question, because literally 100% of their ancestors for millions of generations had children (or otherwise reproduced). That’s the default option.
Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by camillomiller on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:00AM (#37723431)
Which reinforces my point. Reddit, an irrelevant blip in history is a stronger conditioning than millennia of “default option”?
Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by chr1 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @09:40PM (#37733014)
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Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by wiseowise on Sunday October 01, 2023 @04:02AM (#37723794)
For millions of generations there were millions of generations that came to another conclusion and didn’t procreate. And also your assumption that all those millions of generations that you’ve mentioned procreated willingly is false.
Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by RestlessMind on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:10PM (#37727347)
> ...that came to another conclusion and didn’t procreate

and then they didn't survive for the next generation. If that is okay with a society, nature will simply replace that society with another one.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by wiseowise on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:23PM (#37728837)
Not necessarily. Civilization is built on knowledge of people who procreated and who didn't.
Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by RestlessMind on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:09PM (#37727328)
Because the fatal flaw of a lot of advanced societies is elevating individualism. You are ultimately just a part of the human species and we evolved naturally to produce babies and raise them (i.e. desire for sex). We were also a lot more tribal and it was easier to raise kids with a village.

Combination of the latest trends of the past few decades (contraception, individualism, nuclear families) goes against the natural design for the sustenance of our species. Nature doesn't have morals and is pretty ruthless, so if a sub-species doesn't want to have kids, it will cease to exist and will be replaced by the one who values kids.

South Korea will be an interesting example to watch - whether they reverse their course and start valuing kids as a society, or they might get replaced by immigrants or are taken over by the neighboring countries. Nothing good or bad inherently with either option because life is meaningless anyway.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by mensetmanusman on Sunday October 01, 2023 @01:28PM (#37728252)
SK disappears in a poof of logic and NK just waltzes south.
Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by camillomiller on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:58PM (#37729953)
This is certainly true on a global and evolutionary scale. Yet, we, as individuals don't work on a global and evolutionary scale, but an individual one, at least in our society. Therefore I'm perfectly fine not having kids, because I have absolutely no intention to accept and feel the societal burden on my unprivileged shoulders.