Most people I know use Google but did not choose Google. They just bought a smartphone. There are limited options, buy a more expensive fancy apple, or a less expensive, a bit less fancy android. That is the only choice given/taken.

I know, people on HN will counter argument that there are tons of other options, but most people I know that use Google, are not aware.

In fact that is where this lawsuit at its core is about.

So in the US, 60% of people buy iPhones and 95%+ buy non ChromeOS computers, yet Chrome is still the dominant browser. How is that of people didn’t make a choice.

And it’s not like Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook who all tried to enter the smart phone market and failed were some poor underfunded startups.

Google is still reaping its fruits from the early 2000's investments in a new browser that was lightweight and stable but had powerful search and apps, unlike the default browser of MS. So at that point in time people deliberately installed chrome on their PC since the default did not fulfill their wishes.

That doesn't mean that people today are choosing chrome and google search, as they come by default on their smartphones. Most smartphone users don't even know that the browser and search engine can be changed rather easily.

Chrome is not the default on stock iPhone, Mac, Windows or Linux.

It’s only the default on Android.

Search engine is a different story but people like Google enough they’ll change to Google anyways no matter what the default is.

Why don't you guys let the lawyers do the arguing for you. The great grandparent I was responding to was arguing against the ability of the state to even bring the lawsuit.

Chrome was never “lightweight” and it was a fork of WebKit that has actually focused less and less on being “lightweight” since it created its own fork.

In the US, only 40% of buyers are buying Android phones. On desktops, Chrome also has a majority market share and 97% of desktops don’t come with Chrome as the default.

> The difference is that people choose Google. You can go to any website you want to.

This lawsuit is set to determine whether that is case. You can argue for or against that, but arguing against the ability of the people to have a lawsuit to determine that is nonsensical.

Are you saying we need a lawsuit to determine whether people have a choice?

Sometimes.