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Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by auspiv on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:24PM (#37708228)
Ctrl + F "federal reserve" - phrase not found.

The Federal Reserve (which, despite its name, is not a part of the US Government) is the de facto institution that controls money in the United States. All US Dollars are created by the Federal Reserve.

It was created "for central control of the monetary system in order to alleviate financial crises".

It is owned by member banks - "A member bank is a private institution and owns stock in its regional Federal Reserve Bank. All nationally chartered banks hold stock in one of the Federal Reserve Banks... The amount of stock a member bank must own is equal to 3% of its combined capital and surplus"

https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/2bsx0wq4jdzo82... -

"Now, thanks to a Freedom of Information Act request filed late last year by Institutional Investor, we know the truth.

II asked the New York Fed for the capital stock holdings of its members as of year-end 2018, as well as for each year going back to 2007. The bank responded with copies of what it calls its Capital Stock Master Report, a compendium of shareholdings of member banks, for each of those years.

The big reveal for year-end 2018: Citibank, the No. 1 institution on the roster, held 87.9 million New York Federal Reserve Bank shares – or 42.8 percent of the total.

The No. 2 holder stockholder was JPMorgan Chase Bank, with 60.6 million shares, equal to 29.5 percent of the total. In other words, the two banks together control nearly three-quarters of the regional bank’s capital shares."

The Federal Reserve banks pay 6% dividend to member banks holding shares.

The big banks effectively own the Federal Reserve.

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by WalterBright on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:28PM (#37708305)
The Fed not being part of the government is a sham designed as a workaround to the Constitution not empowering the government to print money.

The Fed chair and board is appointed by the President and approved by Congress. It hasn't been tested in court whether the President can fire them.

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by napsec on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:41PM (#37708475)
Ordinary banks create money everyday when they issue loans.
Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by kylebenzle on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:56PM (#37708676)
Small banks can create money but only the Federal Reserve "sets the price" of money. The latter is arguably much more important.
Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by napsec on Friday September 29, 2023 @03:03PM (#37708773)
The fed has tools they use to influence the value of money, that's true and part of their core mandate. But it's a massive oversimplification to say that they set the price of money.
Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by jjtheblunt on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:34PM (#37708390)
> All US Dollars are created by the Federal Reserve.

What?

the US Mint in the US Department of Treasury creates money (which it then banks in its account at the federal reserve), though perhaps the ebb and tide of money into and out of the economy is more like what you describe?

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by celtoid on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:46PM (#37708553)
According to the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, money creation happens in banks, not in government.

"The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks." [0]

[0] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Modern_Money_Mechanics/Introd...

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by jjtheblunt on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:40PM (#37709844)
That's a nice article, and thanks for linking to it, definite upvote, though it is sloppy with words, as "creation" above refers to issuing currency, not creating it.

Here's where money is physically created, somewhat of a curious point since so much of transacted 'money' is digital, and perhaps why the article above misleadingly says "creates".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Mint

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by somenameforme on Friday September 29, 2023 @03:07PM (#37708816)
Physical currency in existence is a very negligible sum of all money. This is thanks to what the article hits on - endless interest, and endless debt. If you took every single dollar in existence, you wouldn't be able to make whole even a small fraction of all debts. Interestingly enough, even if you took every dollar, digital or physical, in existence that would still be true. Isn't interest interesting?

The primary way money is made is through loans, though the Fed buying treasuries also creates large amounts of money. When you deposit at a bank, they're only required to create a fraction of that deposit available. Hence - fractional reserve banking. [1] You deposit at a bank, they take that deposit and lend it out to somebody who now spends that money which eventually ends up getting deposited at a bank again, and the process iterates. If at some point everybody demands their money, a run on the bank, which the bank could not afford as they've lent out deposits to other people, then the Fed bails them out.

The exact process is slightly more subtle, but not fundamentally different. There's a lot of great videos on a search for 'how money is created' at any video site. Because it's a question few know the answer to, everybody wants to know the answer to, and the answer itself is somewhat unsettling.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by corethree on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:26PM (#37708268)
Federal reserve makes things equivalent to money and they use it to control the value of money. They do not own money.

Owners of money are those that actually own it in the bank. Then there are those who own it in the form of assets which also helps divert control of value away from the Fed.

In fact almost all rich people don't own money, they own some form of asset which has intrinsic value.

Therefore rich people are the owners of money.

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by doublerabbit on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:29PM (#37708307)
Reminds me of this aged animation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8NBSwDEf8a8

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by peanut-walrus on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:46PM (#37708543)
No, all US dollars are not created by the Fed. In fact, most US dollars in circulation have not been created by the Fed, but rather by private institutions. You get a mortgage from your bank? That's brand new dollars, never seen before.
Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by alexb_ on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:47PM (#37708563)
The federal reserve being completely divorced from the government is intentional and a good thing. When you give the government the power of controlling the money, you get populist decisions that work in the short term while crippling the value of the dollar in the long term.

When you have banks that are incentivized to raise interest rates enough to make a ton of money but not enough to crash the economy, you keep the dollar as the strongest currency in the world. That's a good thing - the last thing I would want is for less free countries to expand their influence.

Re:If money rules the world – who rules money? (2008) [pdf] by boppo1 on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:57PM (#37711535)
> populist decisions that work in the short term while crippling the value of the dollar in the long term.

Got these anyway. ZIRP priced the middle class out of equity ownership. That historic bull run is from goosing the numbers, not record productivity. The S&P was ~750 in 1990. Things are not 6x better.

We should let treasury auctions decide the yield curve, not a committee of 12 people.