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Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by bayindirh on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:31AM (#37704865)
I know this is a heated debate, but from my experience, the situation is way more nuanced.

During the pandemic, we have worked remotely for a year or so, and we were bloody effective. However, when I pondered about why is it so, I found out that because we have deep personal, one to one connections already. In other words, we can work effectively because we know each other very well, not only in work setting but in personal setting too.

When a remote team is assembled, the window for knowing each other is way narrower. You can work and put good results out, yes. We also do this all the time, because we work with many remote teams as a part of the said team, and we don't see them face to face for years sometimes, however when we meet with these people, even for a couple of days, our relationship and work performance changes.

Since we spend time together, we understand each other better and note our underlying characters, inside and outside work. This allows better relationships and faster, way more efficient work. Mails get shorter, things get more fruitful, and work accelerates.

WFH and remote work works, up to a point, but there's a glass ceiling. Some people may not feel or want to understand that, but it's there.

Face to face communication carries way more information than a webcam + microphone.

Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by swader999 on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:59AM (#37705252)
Valid point. If a manager wants to motivate an employee they have to get to know them, truly care about them. Can't be faked.

A mandatory first month work from the main office, bi annual everyone retreat in one location or twists on these ideas might work for remote only setups.

Total surveillance only works for drones and monkeys hitting typewriters. Totally fine for a cash cow monopoly.

Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by kyleee on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:01PM (#37711114)
I think you make a great point. I think full remote with maybe quarterly meetups is the best. That way new hires can meet people and relationships can form for the foundation of remote work
Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by MichaelMug on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:04PM (#37711137)
> I think full remote with maybe quarterly meetups is the best.

I started working full remote in 2018, and I found quarterly meetups work well. 3 days to 1 week on-site per quarter. I pack the week with in-person meetings/lunches/dinners with my customers, coworkers and management to get facetime.

Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by greesil on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:27PM (#37712033)
How do you get from there to compulsory attendance?
Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by bayindirh on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:47AM (#37713060)
Because I work in a place with compulsory attendance. Our arrival and departure times are recorded.
Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by greesil on Saturday September 30, 2023 @10:46PM (#37722065)
That... is a very literal interpretation of my question
Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by bayindirh on Sunday October 01, 2023 @04:24PM (#37730258)
The thing is, when you start to spend 8 hours a day with the same team, you start to see the other sides of the people. You start to share your life, what happens outside work, and maybe a couple of interests.

This makes the person you're working with more than a drone, because you have the chance to touch to other person's life. The same is also valid for your colleague.

To be able to foster these kinds of relations, you need to share the space for quite some time. Humans are not machines, this is not a file transfer operation This is way working face to face, esp. in a harmonious team is always better than WFH. Companies are not always in the wrong for wanting their teams in the office.

Of course some people may prefer WFH more, for any number of reasons, and I'm no judge. However, claiming that F2F working conditions have no advantages over WFH is just not true, to put it very mildly.

Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by greesil on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @11:09PM (#37760408)
I don't need any of this stuff in person to ship a product.
Re:Leaked screenshot shows Amazon now tracking individual em... by bayindirh on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @04:02AM (#37762210)
If work life is "shipping a product" for you, then okay.