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Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by WentFullRetard on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:16AM (#37689184)
What a ridiculous article. This garbage shouldn't even be posted.
Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by mcphage on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:21AM (#37689233)
There's a large anti-pornography portion here on HN.
Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by BizarreByte on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:24AM (#37689270)
One can enjoy porn while acknowledging the serious issues in the porn industry.
Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by didntcheck on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:33AM (#37689372)
Yes, actual issues of abuse against the actors, not pearl clutching about "objectification". I'll bet most of this verbal and physical "violence" they mention is fairly vanilla rough sex, a harmless thing that a massive amount of the population already do in their own beds (often at the request of a woman)

I'm quite certain the people performing this "study" had already made up their minds before loading the first video

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by AlecSchueler on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:49AM (#37690323)
> I'll bet most of this verbal and physical "violence" they mention is fairly vanilla rough sex

It sounds like you've also made up your mind before reading it. How about taking a look and making some counter arguments to their findings so that people who disagree can argue on that basis rather than the basis of your speculation?

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by didntcheck on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:01PM (#37691541)
Yes I have read the journal article, and while their table for physical violence (as one example) does contain words like "kidnap", it also contains "pound" and "spank". Even for the "genuine" cases, I still maintain that the taboo fantasies of adults are not worth clutching pearls over. Just like with every moral panic about evil corrupting media throughout history
Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by AlecSchueler on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:13PM (#37691734)
> not worth clutching pearls over

Are we clutching pearls? 90% of the popular porn videos show taboo fantasies centered around--at the very least--spanking women. Is that not interesting? We don't need to clutch our pearls to make note of that and to discuss what it means. Pornography is very taboo as you've alluded to, but HN is for me a place where we can discuss anything that we find intellectually stimulating.

I find it very interesting for sure that depictions human sexuality is apparently almost always in some small way also depicting violence against women. I find it disappointing that so many here want to write off the simple mention of that fact as "moral panic" and discuss it no further.

> Even for the "genuine" cases

What do you mean be genuine cases?

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by mcphage on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:49AM (#37689580)
Yep—thankfully there are a bunch of people like that here too. But there's also a large anti-porn contingent.
Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by AlecSchueler on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:50AM (#37690355)
I guess I'm part of the contingent you speak of. I wouldn't call myself anti-porn but I would certianly consider myself porn-critical.

Do you have any points to make that could be argued against or do you just want to scaremonger? I could equally well say "There's a large pro-porn contingent on HN" and then leave it at that, but instead I've shared an article and some reasearch that I'm happy to discuss.

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by mcphage on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:35PM (#37692077)
> Do you have any points to make

Well, the fact that the title is "90% of online pornography" but from the actual study, it talks about 90% of the top 50 watched videos, so we've gone from "90% of pornography" to "45 videos".

> I could equally well say "There's a large pro-porn contingent on HN" and then leave it at that

Well, there is.

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by AlecSchueler on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:40PM (#37692150)
> we've gone from "90% of pornography" to "45 videos".

Yes, the 45 most watched videos. They also analyse the metadata of millions of related videos. The headline is of course not the whole study. What do you think might be a better headline? I would welcome a debate on the basis of that one.

> Well, there is.

Yes, that's a tautology.

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by sambazi on Friday September 29, 2023 @05:16AM (#37701178)
> Personally I don't see the significant material difference between 90% of the 50 most popular videos depicting violence against women and 90% of all porn videos depicting the same. I'm happy to hear why you might disagree though.

i don't think you've established a rationale for the discussion you are hoping for.

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by mcphage on Friday September 29, 2023 @08:37AM (#37703061)
> Yes, the 45 most watched videos.

Which represents what percentage of pornography watching? Or rather: what fraction of a percent of pornography watching?

> Personally I don't see the significant material difference between 90% of the 50 most popular videos depicting violence against women and 90% of all porn videos depicting the same. I'm happy to hear why you might disagree though.

Well, "90% of pornography" is millions of videos. So at the very least, the material difference between them is again, literally millions of videos.

> Altneratively: What do you think might be a better headline? I would welcome a debate on the basis of that one.

It's a 200 page report written in French. I have no idea.

Re:French equality watchdog finds 90% of online pornography ... by AlecSchueler on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:05PM (#37692530)
Could you expand either on why you feel the article is ridiculous or why it shouldn't be posted here?