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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by Keyframe on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @12:01AM (#37669928)
You're advocating against v8 monopoly, where no one is forcing it down on anyone, by holding a candle to the actual enforced monopoly of WebKit? Where's consumer choice in this and how about having an actual choice dictate what is used and what isn't?

Let me quote from a familiar case: "Antitrust laws ensure one company doesn't control the market, deplete consumer choice, and inflate prices. Microsoft was accused of trying to create a monopoly that led to the collapse of rival Netscape by giving its browser software for free."

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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by wyre on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @12:42AM (#37670248)
Years of propaganda and throttled data from Google to use Chrome doesn’t give a lot of real consumer choice.

Even now there’s programmers only product testing in Chrome that makes some web services not work in anything but Chrome.

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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by ElFitz on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:14AM (#37670835)
Some even display a pop up telling you to please go install Chrome if you want to use their B2B SaaS service your company just purchased.
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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by earthnail on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:07AM (#37671584)
To be fair, in some niche cases that’s the only thing that works. Complex WebAudio applications, for example.
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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by ElFitz on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:30AM (#37676122)
I was thinking of something along the lines of "payroll management".

But otherwise yes, there probably are some special, advanced, use cases.

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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by whizzter on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:10AM (#37670801)
Consumers chooses iPhones (and indirectly Safari), yes the bundling has some bad effects.

But in the bigger picture it's currently really the only thing keeping developers somewhat true to making cross-browser sites working for Firefox users, since the Firefox devs has a larger chance of keeping up with what works on ChromeEdge+Safari rather than keeping up with the ChromeEdge pace alone, do you really trust Google (and MS) not to abuse things if FF and Safari became irrelevant?

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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by FireBeyond on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @01:21PM (#37677948)
In the early days of Safari after OS X became popular, there was a second wave of "Works best on IE" from OS X web developers who generally only tested on Safari.

Let's not pretend that Safari's raison d'être is to protect consumers from Google's browser.

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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by breakfastduck on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:08AM (#37672599)
webkit is not a monopoly. look at browser share across all devices.
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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by Keyframe on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:17PM (#37678833)
On iOS it's 100%. Don't confuse Safari, the browser, with WebKit which all browsers on iOS are forced to use, including Chrome.
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Re:EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals by Entalpi on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:42AM (#37674549)
Customer choices can still lead to monopolies..
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