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Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by freitzkriesler2 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:40PM (#37669241)
One man should just get a real bike, go outside, and raise real courses if he is so devoted to proving this point.

This just borderlines on excessive. Do the real thing.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by renewiltord on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:54PM (#37669346)
This is what I did when I found out that other people were aimbotting in CS:GO. I went outside and shot some real people instead.

Nothing can substitute for the real thing, guys.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by CommieBobDole on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @12:20AM (#37670068)
Well, if they were the people aimbotting, that would be an effective solution to the problem.
Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by bdowling on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @01:07AM (#37670423)
You know, the rise in popularity of airsoft was probably driven as much by people coming from 3rd person shooter games as it was people wanting a more realistic military force-on-force simulation than paintball.
Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by freitzkriesler2 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:36AM (#37674472)
You're trolling but...

Airsoft and paintball games are a pretty good real life FPS equivalent and more importantly it forces you to get physically fit as opposed to sitting on your bum clicking.

I recommend watching some actual airsoft and paintball games on YouTube. They're about as close to the real thing that you'll get.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by batch12 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:57PM (#37669376)
I thought about flipping your comment into one that encourages people to not comment online to prove a point, but to find someone outside and do the real thing, but that'd be rude.

Now- I don't disagree that going outside is more desirable to me than this. Through the lens of playing a video game, cheating sucks. People that cheat suck and sour the experience for others. If it makes him happy to ruin these people's game like they've ruined his-- I'm good with it. If he's doing this to make his own experience more enjoyable-- I'm good with it. Either way, this was an interesting article. It was well written, and it gave me a window into something I will probably never choose to enjoy.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by freitzkriesler2 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:41AM (#37674546)
Yes cheating sucks but becoming a policeman to enforce ones image of perfection onto an imperfect world is when the obsession becomes unhealthy.

Either work to improve your own stats and accept that people will cheat.

Or pick up your ball and go play elsewhere - in this case a real life outdoor activity where cheating isn't as easy as hooking a motor inside.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by batch12 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:30PM (#37680823)
Or maybe have fun being a policeman and enforcing your image of perfection if thats what you want. If cheating is acceptable, surely that is too.
Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by dr_petes on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:00PM (#37669391)
I’ve had to do a lot of my rides indoors due to the Seattle weather and drivers. There are times I don’t feel safe riding outside due to the lack of infrastructure.

This is coming from someone who logs 200 miles outdoors in the summer.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by 762236 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:14PM (#37669519)
Definitely better to be outside, but for many people that is too dangerous.
Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by Modified3019 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:04AM (#37671157)
Especially when air quality is hazardous in many places, particularly around high motor vehicle traffic areas.
Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by dotnet00 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:31PM (#37669660)
I find this attitude HNers often have to be so disappointing. It's not that hard to just appreciate someone's quirky hobby project even if you don't understand it.

We all have our own weird obsessions that don't necessarily make sense, but they don't have to.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by freitzkriesler2 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:38AM (#37674496)
After a certain point, the obsession becomes unhealthy. The guy clearly isn't enjoying his hobby anymore and is instead becoming a policeman trying to enforce his image of perfection onto an imperfect world.

Either pick up your ball and play elsewhere or accept the imperfections and work around them.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by dotnet00 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:24AM (#37675114)
He's trying to improve the thing he enjoys, that isn't unhealthy and does not in any way imply that he doesn't enjoy his hobby anymore.

Is "Accept the imperfections and work around them" how you approach all of your hobbies? Are you not invested in any of them? Since wanting to improve things is a pretty normal aspect of being invested in anything, especially a hobby.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by tadfisher on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @01:10AM (#37670446)
Okay, then you get into fights over how many grams your bike is below UCI weight, everyone is tested for steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs, your bike is torn down after your second-place finish so they can search for the hidden electric motor, and turns out your aero bars are 3mm too long so, welp, say goodbye to your victory.

This is what competition is like. It has nothing to do with "virtual" vs "real" sports, and everything to do with human nature.

Re:One man’s quest to end cheating in virtual cycling by freitzkriesler2 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @09:45AM (#37674579)
Nice false equivalency, the bar for cheating is far higher and riskier in real life biking than say hooking up a motor to an indoor stationary bike.

Lance got caught and his professional image ruined but he was a professional.

If you're willing to inject mystery chemistry into yourself to win a amateur bike racing torneys then that's on you.

HN posters need to take the L and learn to just be your own competition instead of forcing your world view on others.