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Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by betamist on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:40PM (#37652288)
Discussions online have had this nature ever since they went mainstream I think. Especially Reddit I mean, some of those more popular subreddits are run mostly by kids is what I make out of it. Maybe not kids in age but by people who truest never grew up. Censorship seems to be the natural order of things in online communities. Here on HN too. Too many people with flagging abilities just flagging anything they disagree with, and good luck getting any mod’s attention after that. Unless you dance around the topic and never spell out certain types of takes, your posts will get fagged if the official narrative doesn’t match, and you will be accused of flaming.

Unfortunately people have convinced themselves that some opinions -those they disagree with- are dangerous for others to read. From cancelling your preorder for a game after a beta to “let’s think twice about pharmaceutical companies’ motives, there will be someone who thinks your motives are unclean, you’re an agitator, or full on evil, and therefor deserve to be silenced.

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by DangitBobby on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:14PM (#37652600)
> Unfortunately people have convinced themselves that some opinions -those they disagree with- are dangerous for others to read.

Or more likely than seeing them as "dangerous" they recognize that if you allow opinions to be expressed, others may gain a new perspective by reading it or even adopt that opinion themselves.

Or in the case of HN, certain topics of conversation are censored or discouraged because they tend to lead to boring/repetitive/annoying/aggressive comment threads.

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by midoridensha on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @08:58PM (#37668264)
Censorship is necessary for a civil forum. If you don't censor, you get 8chan, a place full of nothing but vileness. All the shitty people congregate there because no one will censor them or ban them, and all the decent people leave.

Of course, we usually call this "moderation" instead of "censorship", but it's mostly the same, except it isn't done by a government.

So the quality of any forum just comes down to the quality of the moderation. Good moderators keep out the off-topic crap and general nastiness, shitty moderators ban people for saying they don't like the company's new game.

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by betamist on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @01:41AM (#37670633)
One man's nastiness is another's joke, or opinion. What people don't understand is that if you are ok with the idea of a so called "moderation" that's more on the limiting side, some other group of moderators will come later and apply he same rules but from the different side, and your sides ideas won't see the light of day. It's a very simple concept that people have forgotten why freedom of expression is the first amendment. The problem imo is that it doesn't translate well to online communities that are open to anyone. I'm sure people have thought about this endlessly before, but I don't know if there's any progress.
Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by midoridensha on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:27AM (#37670921)
Online communities are communities like any other: they're a product of the people in them, and the people that control them. You may find some are more to your liking than others. There's no perfect way of doing moderation. If you don't like any kind of moderation at all, you're free to hang out on 8chan with the neo-Nazis.
Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by betamist on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:43AM (#37672808)
> you're free to hang out on 8chan with the neo-Nazis.

Side note honest question, do you think your comment falls under flaming and should be flagged? What you’re basically baiting me here. Wouldn’t this last bit be a direct way that leads to exchanging insults between each other? I don’t know what’s your intended point behind it, but it certainly could be interpreted this way imo.

Regardless, I think there’s for the least possible amount of moderation based on subjective opinions. If you want to have a constructive discussion about Covid response, you have to listen to all opinions and have them openly discussed for example.

There are hundreds of times that comments about mask mandates for example that get flagged, just because people disagree with the CDC. Eventually now we see it more openly discussed (1) after a few years, but still some politically motivated people think it’s a topic deserving censorship.

1: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-...

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by midoridensha on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:01PM (#37684275)
You're the one trolling about anti-vax conspiracy theory bullshit here, with a 2-day old account. Fuck off.
Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by betamist on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:22AM (#37685980)
I’m glad we got to the point where you show your true soul :) for what it’s worth, I support your right to say and disagree, tho I think you need to find a better way to express yourself.

Have a nice day!

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by midoridensha on Thursday September 28, 2023 @04:36AM (#37686932)
Yes, and you showed your true self too: you used this as an opportunity to push your anti-vax conspiracy theory bullshit. So again, go fuck yourself, troll.
Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by betamist on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:59AM (#37687854)
> you used this as an opportunity to push your anti-vax conspiracy theory bullshit

I'm not anti-vax at all! What did I say that made you think so?

> So again, go fuck yourself, troll.

I'm not trolling at all. And you're breaking multiple HN guidelines in your last three replies: name-calling, dismissiveness, snark, and you're definitely not maintaining a respectful tone.

Maybe you're the one that needs to be hanging around on 8chan?

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by dang on Friday September 29, 2023 @12:48AM (#37699389)
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Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by dang on Friday September 29, 2023 @12:48AM (#37699386)
We've banned this account for trolling.

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