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Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by neilv on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:31PM (#37649313)
Does it depend on the company culture, which can persist awhile?

For example, the first company that comes to mind has seemed to have shameless underhandedness deep in its DNA, and to exhibit its malevolent side each new chance it gets, as much as it can. This has repeated over the course of decades, and over multiple top leadership changes.

If it's true that certain kinds of underhandedness are in that company's DNA, to a degree unlike most other companies, I wonder how deep they'd have to decapitate the org chart, to cut out the roots of that culture. Including SVPs? VPs? Further? It's in the board, too?

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by chx on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:11PM (#37652034)
The only fix is to burn Oracle to the very ground and sow the remnants with salt to ensure it doesn't regrow.
Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by neilv on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:37PM (#37652798)
I actually had a different company in mind. I'm much less familiar with Oracle.

The one time I bumped into Larry Ellison, he managed to come across as intensely competitive, in just a moment. I'd guess that's probably reflected in his company.

Does Oracle seem a steady in-your-face aggressive, and you know what you get?

Or is more a cyclic and plotting: in-your-face shameless when they can get away with it, and makes nice when they have to, while running long-cons (some of them very underhanded)?

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by chx on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @06:29AM (#37657203)
Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by neilv on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @03:17PM (#37664469)
Sounds like everyone knows roughly what the relationship with Oracle will be like. :)

Around some other vendors, there's collective loss of institutional (field) knowledge about what you're going to get.

I suppose contributing to this could be a lot of new people who aren't mentored-in as well as they could be.

Also, there's been a field shift towards many (most?) ICs and even managers/execs not being incentived to become aware of non-short-term implications of vendor and tech choices. Whether it's ICs driven by sprint metrics, startups motivated to rapidly throw up appearances of growth to hit funding rounds, or people job-hopping every 18 months before they see longer-term cause&effect.

Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by raincole on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:25PM (#37652690)
People once believed that "Don't be evil" is in Google's DNA.
Re:Unity's oldest community announces dissolution by neilv on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:44PM (#37652847)
I think a nice thing about Google is that it seems many people there still believe that to some degree.

We certainly believed it when Google started, and they were talking like the then-familiar Internet-savvy altruistic forward-looking engineer types.

Today, you can still see many examples of Google doing things well. (And of course many examples of things that we wouldn't have expected them to do, including some that would've gotten them ostracized.)