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Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by swozey on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:13PM (#37638990)
Netflix is such an interesting company. They offered me a job years ago but on the stipulation that I (and everyone else) worked out of their Los Gatos office. I knew Los Gatos was well known for being an incredibly wealthy zip code but I had no idea it was pretty much the #1 most expensive city in the USA. Netflix pays their engineers a ton of money, no equity. We're talking 300-500k cash. As far as I've ever heard they never do RSUs. I absolutely dreamed that one day I'd be capable enough to work for Netflix or Pixar on high end network lowest throughput-we-can-accomplish infra. Now it's all a joke to me. I don't even have Netflix account anymore. I've attempted to launcha a multitude of Netflix OSS projects like ConsoleMe and Conductor. I have never ever, and I'm saying this as someone who hopped onto Kubernetes version 1.1 in 2015. I have never had a worse open source experience than Netflix OSS projects. They basically shoot them out then abandon them and never touch them again.

This post made me hit up their Github again and there are (possible) gems like Zuul, Falcor, Chaosmonkey.. but seriously, go try and deploy them. It's embarassing.

https://github.com/netflix

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by geodel on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:35PM (#37639095)
Seems all true to me. Apart from being I did not find Netflix projects gem. In my usage and looking at their code, they seem like overwrought Java enterprise projects. The place I work they are slowly replacing Netflix OSS with other products.

Its no surprise that Netflix lately moving to Spring Boot framework for all their Java based services. This is preferred choice for typical, run-of-the-mill enterprise projects.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by swozey on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:43PM (#37639143)
My resume has the (dis)pleasure of converting all of Netflixes OSS projects to run in containers. JVM or not. I have golang services that run at 80Mb, I have rust services that run at 20Mb. Every JVM service? I have to literally define its memory consumption with command line flags (-jvmx? I forget, its my weekend) on each deployment. Running JVMs in k8s is hilarious. I'm not grey beard Linux level yet (soon) but my god. It's hilarious how poorly they perform.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by geodel on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:00PM (#37639247)
Agree. I maybe wrong but I think it was Netflix first which normalized generating one web service call generating 1MB worth of logs. In our place finance is kind of whopping ass of teams which are generating extensive logging and monitoring as Splunk cost goes through roof.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by tough on Sunday September 24, 2023 @10:50PM (#37639197)
everyone's weekend at the same time you realise
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by arwineap on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:54AM (#37640064)
I'm reading this on Monday :)
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by progbits on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:11AM (#37640161)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek_and_weekend#History

Almost, but not quite.

(I'm linking the "history" section because it has a nice map. There is a table further down.)

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by ponector on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:45AM (#37640683)
You never know. Some countries have work week starting on Sunday
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by sharts on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:05AM (#37639579)
Spinnaker
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by tiffanyh on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:06PM (#37639280)
> “Netflix is such an interesting company.”

An often forgotten fact is that Netflix started Roku as a product & spun it off.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by ksey3 on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:26PM (#37639387)
Thats cuz you think of it as a tech/content company, instead of Wall St financializing content.

In the same way they did mortgages. The people who built the houses that were sold to people who couldnt afford them, were also standing around scratching their head.

Its a joke because there is an upper limit to what the world can offer for content. Only the finance robots who run these companies believe it doesnt matter.

After all this time, Netflix hasnt been able to get more than 200-250 million subscribers, even though Startups and CEOs love to bray about how the internet is full of billions of people, just waiting to hand over their cash. The truth is vast ocean of people dont have cash.

And now the market capture phase is complete. The people who can pay, have already been corralled into pens and are milked everyday. The finance class then turns their attention to milking the "subprime" crowd. Give them credit cards. Get the advertisers involved. Reduce the VFX, content creation, animation budgets, layoff those self important expensive engineers.

Such a system doesn't generate software quality beyond a point, cuz it doesn't need it. In a few years Netflix will look like Yahoo.

Tech and Content do not run the world. Finance does. Sooner or later into the ground. Cause the goal of milking cows hits an upper limit.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by kbarmettler on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:13AM (#37639865)
I know this is asking a lot, but do you have a reading list/ any other type of media format playlist that you want to recommend? I ask because your comment was incisive.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by ksey3 on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:54AM (#37640071)
Follow the banter around a single term "Financialization" (setup a google news alert). It will lead you to everything else, including how the financial sectors thinking about it.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by zigman1 on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:36AM (#37640298)
Any other google news alerts you have running?
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by passion__desire on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:16AM (#37640525)
In a sense, Wall St. is creating "economic activity" in the hope of future growth and rewards which ends up benefiting common man with digital abundance. Whether Govt does it directly or indirectly in a top down manner, the end result is the same. This is like building digital roads.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by ilyt on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:07AM (#37641931)
Stock market was one of worse inventions of humanity...
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by yieldcrv on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:36PM (#37639440)
I don’t understand what the expense of los gatos has to do with anything

did you go work for Netflix? was it enough to live on in los gatos?

what a random selection of non sequiturs

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by dboreham on Sunday September 24, 2023 @11:56PM (#37639541)
Obviously nobody needs to live in Los Gatos. You could probably commute from Gillroy although it'd be a pain.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by gnicholas on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:14AM (#37639870)
Or the other way, toward Santa Cruz (Scott's Valley always struck me as nice and "affordable" compared to the Bay Area).
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by deaddodo on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:19AM (#37639643)
> They offered me a job years ago but on the stipulation that I (and everyone else) worked out of their Los Gatos office.

Netflix has a major office in Los Angeles, and it has software engineering staff. I'm aware of at least a couple others. So it's most definitely not "everyone".

I would imagine if you're working on their core tech, they would want you in HQ though.

> As far as I've ever heard they never do RSUs

The CEO of Netflix has gone on record as saying that they pay their employees a high salary so they can invest in what they believe in. If that's Netflix, they're more than welcome to do so.

It's up to you to read into the intentions there or decide the truthiness, but that's the official stance.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by google234123 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:47AM (#37639759)
> I've ever heard they never do RSUs

Well...I'm surprised you didn't bother doing google search. You choose what percent of the 500k cash if stock. 0% or 90% if you want.

I don't get why you are complaining about the location - all the bay is expensive and you can easily afford a 2 million dollar home on a 500k salary.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by sramam on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:17AM (#37639886)
depending on where one is coming from, $2M house in the SF Bay area can be surprisingly small.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by bbarnett on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:11AM (#37640164)
Very much so. A $4M home is sort of an average sized house, in Palo Alto.

And with barely any land.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by google234123 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:37PM (#37646640)
Ok... so what? Netflix is in Los Gatos. 2M also won't get you too much for an apartment facing central park in NYC
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by google234123 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:36PM (#37646628)
So? The OP didn't talk about buying a mansion
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by swozey on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:21AM (#37642562)
Maybe I'm not from the fucking Bay area? What a new idea!
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by google234123 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:46PM (#37646794)
Being from the Bay area or not doesn't negate the fact that a 500k salary is more than sufficient for the lifestyle anywhere. So... Your point?
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by swozey on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @12:07AM (#37654213)
My point is what the fuck is your point in even responding to me? Nice username. Go gag the goog, bud. Enjoy your 3 days a week in the office, lol.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by gnicholas on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:13AM (#37639864)
> I knew Los Gatos was well known for being an incredibly wealthy zip code but I had no idea it was pretty much the #1 most expensive city in the USA.

How is Los Gatos remotely the #1 most expensive city in the USA? Even just in the Bay Area, there are many pricier places (Atherton, Woodside, Portola Valley, Palo Alto, ). Then there's Beverly Hills, many other parts of LA, NYC, Hamptons, Cape Cod, etc.

Regardless, Los Gatos pretty close to much less-expensive areas, including areas like San Jose, which have lots of dense housing. These areas are pricier than most of America, but they're among the more affordable parts of the Peninsula/South Bay.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by lisper on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:51AM (#37640041)
Even Los Gatos gets relatively affordable up in the hills.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by sdan on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:32AM (#37640264)
Possible they mixed up Los Gatos and Los Altos? Los Altos is much wealthier.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by gnicholas on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:43AM (#37640331)
True, especially Los Altos Hills. But how do you research the wrong city when you’re house hunting? Wouldn’t you be checking distances to the office and realize that everything is 25 mins away, on the freeway?
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by swozey on Monday September 25, 2023 @06:46AM (#37641748)
> But how do you research the wrong city when you’re house hunting? Wouldn’t you be checking distances to the office and realize that everything is 25 mins away, on the freeway?

This was like fudking 10-15 years ago, my man. I hugely apologize for misremembering so badly. Please forgive me sir.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by swozey on Monday September 25, 2023 @06:49AM (#37641774)
Good god I fucking hate ever writing posts on HN. So many of you are just reddit ACSKHULLY responders.

Herp-a-derp "Ackshully they have a Los Angeles office too" no fucking shit it wasn't an option or I would've mentioend it.

"Acskhully Los Gatos is only the 26th most expensive city in the USA."

"Everyone has the same weekend."

My. God. I can't even. Some of you are so fucking cringe.

Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by alephnerd on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:20AM (#37642050)
Amen. HN is becoming increasingly brain dead, and the discourse stupid.
Re:Netflix Prepares to Send Its Final Red Envelope by BonoboIO on Monday September 25, 2023 @10:53AM (#37644827)
It amazes me, that Netflix is capable of such top of the line engineering things (really mindblowing stuff, one machine that streams nearly 1 Terabit pers second), but is for the love of god unable to stream HD Content to my iPhone (newest firmware, all up2date). Tried everything gigabit wifi, cellular, multiple ISPs ...

It is better for me to pirate their content, play it with Plex and be happy. I pay for Netflix, but still have to download it, to see it an acceptable quality. Absurd. The support couldn‘t help. It doesn’t affect me, because I have my Torrent/Plex Setup, but for 99.9% of people it is a subpar experience.

I think the best years are over for Netflix. The hard awakening is here to make content that the users want and they are a movie/tv content company, not primarily a „tech company“.