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Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by lolinder on Sunday September 24, 2023 @05:56PM (#37637570)
I find that typing on a phone (iPhone or Android) these days is substantially easier than typing on an iPad because of swipe. It's still nowhere as efficient as a keyboard in the hands of a skilled typist, but I can often produce text fast enough that it isn't worth getting out my laptop. On an iPad it's far worse, because I actually do have to use the bad QWERTY touchscreen key-by-key.

What I keep hoping for as far as input methods go is a swipe keyboard layout that is optimized for swipe, because QWERTY has a few groupings that make for ambiguities. Someone calculated one a few years ago that puts the vowels as far apart as possible [0].

[0] https://sangaline.com/post/finding-an-optimal-keyboard-layou...

Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by bangonkeyboard on Sunday September 24, 2023 @06:17PM (#37637703)
The iPad keyboard has a floating option that takes swipe input. There used to be a split keyboard option, which I actually used all the time, but it was removed from newer models for unfathomable reasons.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by gorkish on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:32PM (#37648482)
Wait, wait.... The new iPads don't support the split keyboard SOFTWARE FEATURE that is still present in the latest OS release and still working on "supported" hardware? I thought the removal of the orientation lock switch was user-hostile, but damn; this is another level.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by ask_b123 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:40PM (#37665536)
I would think it does support it... In my iPad Air (latest model) I somehow ended up stuck with a split keyboard for a bit until I managed to restore it.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by bangonkeyboard on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @01:07PM (#37677748)
It does not support it. Here are the Settings of an older iPad model to the left of the latest iPad Air's: https://i.imgur.com/YaW0eeP.png

Apple repeatedly notes that only certain models support split keyboard (https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/move-the-onscreen-keybo...). This page was even renamed since iOS 16 from "Use a split keyboard" (https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-a-split-keyboard-ip...), the screenshot of a split keyboard was replaced with a floating one, and the legacy split keyboard information was moved to the bottom of the page.

Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by synapsomorphy on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:16AM (#37639630)
The only reason swipe works so well is because of how well people know the QWERTY layout, though. You'd have to have a pretty unique situation for it to be worth your time to thoroughly learn a new keyboard layout just to speed up typing on your phone.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by Woshiwuja on Monday September 25, 2023 @04:50AM (#37641032)
Swipe is terrible and i dont know how people even use it
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by iFreilicht on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:16AM (#37641226)
Works well for me. You just type with one hand without ever lifting your thumb. You do need to set the correct language, and if you mix languages, your phone's OS has to be able to deal with that, but at least on iOS that is the case and the prediction is very good. If the first choice isn't correct, usually the first or second displayed alternative is what I wanted.

There are two caveats, though. Firstly, I type differently when using swipe. As it favors words from the dictionary, my texts sound less spoken and more written. And secondly, having backspace delete the whole word is a critical feature to avoiding annoyance. If none of the predictions are correct, I just tap backspace and then type the word like I usually would. This, combined with the rarity of those hiccups makes swipe typing quicker than regular typing to me.

It also helps with relaxing my wrists as I can also hold the phone with one hand and swipe with the middle finger of my other in a gesture like holding a pen, but without the pen.

Maybe there's actually a third aspect; screen and hand size. I haven't owned any big phones, my iphone 13 mini is the biggest phone I ever owned, but I do have large hands, so swipe typing with a single thumb is not very difficult. Your experience might be different depending on your anatomy and device.

Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by funcDropShadow on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:17AM (#37645236)
There is another caveat with swipe in languages that write some words capitalized. The prediction fails to capitalize correctly in the middle of a sentence. The overhead to edit the word to the correct capitalization is so large, that swipe doesn't feel useful at all. A menu entry or gesture to capitalize the selected word would be really handy.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by ammar2 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:46PM (#37646799)
With gboard on Android, if you highlight a word and tap shift, it will go from lowercase to Capitalized to SHOUTING case.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by forgotpwd16 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @05:26AM (#37656640)
That's cool. Does gboard have some help that talks about such hidden features?
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by i_am_a_peasant on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:03PM (#37646097)
swipe is quite nice, and on my phone it even recognizes when I want to type in 3 different languages that thankfully use the same alphabet
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by Woshiwuja on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @03:09PM (#37664358)
I do have large hands too but i dont feel the need for swipe. I use the autocomplete function much more
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by mitchell209 on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:23AM (#37641269)
Swipe is good on keyboards other than the stock iOS keyboard. That one is worse than every other option imaginable and it sucks to see because iOS used to have the best mobile keyboard bar none back before they tried to get smart with it.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by DavideNL on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:42AM (#37642789)
> ” other than the stock iOS keyboard ”

Did you check it lately? It’s really good now since iOS 17… but indeed it was bad before.

Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by ptidhomme on Monday September 25, 2023 @09:35AM (#37643565)
I swipe with my index finder, holding the phone with my other hand, and I find that fairly efficient.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by bertylicious on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:08AM (#37645091)
I've been using swipe for years now on my Android phones (currently a pixel 5). I hold the phone in one hand and use the thumb of the same hand to swipe. Feels much more effortless than "actual" typing. Especially when comparing it to typing with both thumbs.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by anotheruser13 on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:02PM (#37648891)
I've been using swipe since the beta version of Swype. However, Google seems to be enshittifying Gboard. It continues to decline in accuracy, so I can't swipe as fast as I used to. ...sigh...
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by stronglikedan on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:08AM (#37645099)
It's indispensable for me. Works nearly flawlessly, and in English and Spanish at the same time, without having to tell the keyboard to change languages. I'm magnitudes faster with it, and rarely have to go back and correct anything.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by wlesieutre on Monday September 25, 2023 @04:02PM (#37649763)
This whole comment was written with swipe and didn’t require any corrections, I do much better with swipe than trying to tap all the letters. It’s pretty fast too.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by JohnFen on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:44PM (#37651131)
I don't get along with it either -- it's the worst possible option for me. But I know a lot of people who get along very well with it. Different people are different.
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by thejazzman on Monday September 25, 2023 @08:32PM (#37652751)
Which phone do you have? I think it works great on the Mini, but I believe I recall it being a disappointment on a Max
Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by jasonjmcghee on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:24AM (#37659835)
Try downloading Gboard. Been using it for years. Dramatically better than iOS built in, which makes horrible decisions about when and how text is corrected and has worse gesture recognition.

After a relatively short time, I stopped having to look at the keys or think about letters. Touch typing from keyboard transfers over well.

Re:Text editing on mobile isn’t ok by MonaroVXR on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:59PM (#37654160)
Still having issues with swype, im way faster with normal typing.