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Re:Cavities were cured in 1985, and no one knows it yet by lolinder on Sunday September 24, 2023 @04:50PM (#37637063)
> A parasite can make a host less healthy and less likely to reproduce. This all lives on a gradient where parasitic relationship move the likelihood of reproduction down a little while symbiosis is the most extreme state where reproductive success is only positively effected.

Whether or not the host is destroyed, that symbiosis is the end game is not reassuring to someone whose mouth has gotten worse as a result of the treatment.

I'm not saying it won't work and isn't worth a large scale trial, I'm just saying your arguments based on evolutionary theory aren't a sound basis for medicine. I would not take a tapeworm into me on the grounds that someday tapeworms might evolve into a symbiotic relationship with humans.

Re:Cavities were cured in 1985, and no one knows it yet by corethree on Sunday September 24, 2023 @05:31PM (#37637404)
>Whether or not the host is destroyed, that symbiosis is the end game is not reassuring to someone whose mouth has gotten worse as a result of the treatment.

That is the point of clinical trials. No treatment can be released until it has been verified to be safe.

>I'm not saying it won't work and isn't worth a large scale trial, I'm just saying your arguments based on evolutionary theory aren't a sound basis for medicine.

I never said it was a sound basis in it's current form. It's a sound basis to move forward rapidly to change the current theory into a sound basis.

> I would not take a tapeworm into me on the grounds that someday tapeworms might evolve into a symbiotic relationship with humans.

one average guy who literally did the opposite of you. Against all medical advice, he infected himself with hookworms:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/may/23/parasit...

podcast on the same guy who infected himself with hookworms: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/404/enemy-camp-2010/act-thr...

The innovative risk takers are the ones that try things out and move things forward. I'm not recommending you become one, but I recommend you support people who have the drive and willingness to do this because you and I only stand to benefit.

Re:Cavities were cured in 1985, and no one knows it yet by corethree on Sunday September 24, 2023 @05:48PM (#37637517)