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Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by kristopolous on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:07PM (#37624496)
You can reduce (or increase!) your exposure to it through individual action though.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by aradox66 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:11PM (#37624545)
I think OPs argument is that tackling microplastic exposure through personal choices like microwave use, etc, may be unlikely to make a significant dent in overall microplastic consumption, if it's in all the food, all the water, the soil, the air, the bedsheets, the flooring, etc etc.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by tempest_ on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:24PM (#37624680)
Basically all food comes in plastic now a days. There are still people surprised to find out that the aluminum or steel can they get food out of is coated internally.

This article is talking about heating plastic in a microwave which is something a lot of people do but I suspect fewer people have unloaded skids from the back of a tractor trailer in the summer. That stuff that is at room temp on the grocery store shelve has gone through a tone of heat cool cycles before it makes it to you.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by kristopolous on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:30PM (#37624743)
sure, plastic coating is not what those consumers wanted but some goals take time to reach. Let's not dismiss people who are making sincere efforts.

For instance, I've been using reusable shopping bags for 25 years and buy most of my food through farmers market, never touching plastic bags or packaging in the whole lifecycle. That's probably at least 10,000 fewer plastic bags. Sure there's some wasteful people that probably use that in a month, I see how people shop.

This isn't a virtue contest - it's a lifestyle commitment just like deciding not to smoke for health reasons. At scale these things have impact.

Also I know there's plastic everywhere, like my phone, clothes, computer ... I'm not a idiot. That's not the same.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by bbarnett on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:17PM (#37625249)
Bedsheets indeed! After all, isn't polyester essentially a variant of plastic?
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by 10u152 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @04:43PM (#37627357)
What kind of monster has synthetic bedsheets? Cotton or linen only. I can’t even think last time I saw a synthetic sheet.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by bbarnett on Saturday September 23, 2023 @05:58PM (#37627919)
Personally, I have 60% cotton, 40% polyester. Seems to handle my feet calluses better.

(I get holes in pure cotton sheets too fast)

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by patmorgan23 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:19PM (#37624612)
What size/impact does personal choice have. Plastics are so prevelant is the impact 1% or 50%. If the former your choices don't really matter that much, the latter they might.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by 0xcde4c3db on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:10PM (#37624527)
I'm sure there's some set of lifestyle choices that would lead to a measurable reduction, but whether that reduction matters practically is a different question.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by kristopolous on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:27PM (#37624714)
ok, but have people's individual habits on tobacco consumption reduced the non-smokers exposure to it? These things can make a difference in large enough numbers. It's not irrelevant at scale.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by dwaite on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:00PM (#37629146)
If the scale winds up being that eliminating my microwave usage and throwing out plastic containers from my house entirely reduces my plastic consumption 1 %, then I wasted a whole bunch of time and money, and distracted myself from trying to find ways that _would_ reduce plastic consumption (say, filtration on municipal water - but who knows).

Single source municipal recycling is typically a process of sorting and selling certain kinds of waste to other people, with little processing happening locally. This process is way more wasteful than people would like to think, with changing and opaque rules about what is acceptable and what will wind up just being thrown away. I'd give that as an example of a policy that promotes a certain amount of effort to make people FEEL like they are making a difference, vs actually making a significant difference.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by kristopolous on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:14PM (#37635019)
Every journey begins with a first step.

You don't have to do anything and there's no shame in that. Just don't disrespect the people who do.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by eviks on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:10PM (#37624525)
and that reduction may have 0 effect :(
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by kristopolous on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:40PM (#37624878)
it's definitionally non-zero. control what you have control over.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by Hackbraten on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:09PM (#37625164)
This so much.

It’s a little like democratic elections. A single vote has negligible impact, but all those single votes combined? They have the power to make or break the future of a country. An individual decision not to use plastic is not unlike that.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by dwaite on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:03PM (#37629173)
This implies that my use or not affects other people and not solely myself.

Awaiting numbers as to how much plastics in the water which comes out of my tap is from washed microwaved plastics.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by eviks on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:40PM (#37625475)
Then change your definition to something useful. I care about impact on human health, so if you reduce (via personal choice) exposure by 1 out of 10, but 5 is enough to seriously impact you and anything above 5 but below 100 has no additional impact, then you've achieved 0
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday September 24, 2023 @09:34AM (#37632979)
> anything above 5 but below 100 has no additional impact

not sure where you got this part from, but your entire argument depends on it being true, and it isn't

reminds me of the people who said facemasks and vaccines do nothing (meaning literally 0% effect) because they weren't 100% perfect virus force fields

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by eviks on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:03PM (#37634281)
Another one missing simple logic: no, it's irrelevant for my argument whether this is true, it only serves to illustrate the point that "by definition" claim was wrong since it entirely depends on the level of poison and the reduction possible at the individual level

And you claim that it isn't true makes no sense either since this isn't a claim about a fact that can be true or false

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:00PM (#37634870)
Not irrelevant. By definition, non-zero does indeed mean not zero, so that person's claim wasn't wrong, either

> you claim that it isn't true makes no sense either since this isn't a claim about a fact that can be true or false

actually, it makes total sense, because your factual claim was that, for a nonzero number, "you've achieved 0", which is obviously wrong. It's simple logic, friend.

maybe try tying your post back to reality, where the effect isn't actually zero? Fill in the analogy, since it's clear we can reduce our microplastic exposure a non-zero amount (your personal opinion that it's not enough for you is what is irrelevant here)

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by eviks on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:10PM (#37634982)
That wasn't my claim, you keep confusing non0 reduction with 0 effect on human health