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Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by kristopolous on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:40PM (#37624878)
it's definitionally non-zero. control what you have control over.
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by Hackbraten on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:09PM (#37625164)
This so much.

It’s a little like democratic elections. A single vote has negligible impact, but all those single votes combined? They have the power to make or break the future of a country. An individual decision not to use plastic is not unlike that.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by dwaite on Saturday September 23, 2023 @09:03PM (#37629173)
This implies that my use or not affects other people and not solely myself.

Awaiting numbers as to how much plastics in the water which comes out of my tap is from washed microwaved plastics.

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by eviks on Saturday September 23, 2023 @01:40PM (#37625475)
Then change your definition to something useful. I care about impact on human health, so if you reduce (via personal choice) exposure by 1 out of 10, but 5 is enough to seriously impact you and anything above 5 but below 100 has no additional impact, then you've achieved 0
Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday September 24, 2023 @09:34AM (#37632979)
> anything above 5 but below 100 has no additional impact

not sure where you got this part from, but your entire argument depends on it being true, and it isn't

reminds me of the people who said facemasks and vaccines do nothing (meaning literally 0% effect) because they weren't 100% perfect virus force fields

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by eviks on Sunday September 24, 2023 @12:03PM (#37634281)
Another one missing simple logic: no, it's irrelevant for my argument whether this is true, it only serves to illustrate the point that "by definition" claim was wrong since it entirely depends on the level of poison and the reduction possible at the individual level

And you claim that it isn't true makes no sense either since this isn't a claim about a fact that can be true or false

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:00PM (#37634870)
Not irrelevant. By definition, non-zero does indeed mean not zero, so that person's claim wasn't wrong, either

> you claim that it isn't true makes no sense either since this isn't a claim about a fact that can be true or false

actually, it makes total sense, because your factual claim was that, for a nonzero number, "you've achieved 0", which is obviously wrong. It's simple logic, friend.

maybe try tying your post back to reality, where the effect isn't actually zero? Fill in the analogy, since it's clear we can reduce our microplastic exposure a non-zero amount (your personal opinion that it's not enough for you is what is irrelevant here)

Re:Definitely Do Not Put Plastic in the Microwave by eviks on Sunday September 24, 2023 @01:10PM (#37634982)
That wasn't my claim, you keep confusing non0 reduction with 0 effect on human health