The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died

Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by victortan83 on Friday September 22, 2023 @08:47AM (#37611306)

Neuralink is basically doing ground breaking micro electrodes implantation through robotics assisted open brain surgery. Sometimes the implants cause complications. If you are familiar with how brain surgery works, nothing about what happened to the monkeys is considered remotely gruesome. This stuff has been going on in research labs and hospitals for decades. Lay people just don't get to hear about them often.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by oliwarner on Friday September 22, 2023 @10:23AM (#37612462)

> If you are familiar with how brain surgery works...

I'm not unfamiliar and I'm not sure what you think a layperson wouldn't understand about an unnecessary, unconsented, experimental medical procedure.

Or is it okay because it's a monkey?

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by amanaplanacanal on Friday September 22, 2023 @10:33AM (#37612595)

Hard to get consent from non-human animals.

Some people think that means we shouldn’t experiment on animals at all.

Some people think that the potential gains in relieving human suffering make it worthwhile.

Most people on both camps think we shouldn’t allow the animals to suffer more than is necessary.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by catchnear4321 on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:55PM (#37616152)

“necessary”

> Animal 15 began to lose coordination, and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by Etherlord87 on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:58PM (#37617697)

It's not clear what you're trying to communicate here. Yes, it draws a scary picture about the suffering of the "Animal 15". However it doesn't mean it wasn't "necessary".

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by catchnear4321 on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:43PM (#37618183)

please provide the definition that is being used, and preferably how one gets to participate in deciding.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by Etherlord87 on Friday September 22, 2023 @07:03PM (#37618923)

Why do you put the burden of proof on me? You countered a usage of a word with a quote and no explanation. I took a wild guess on what you could possibly mean, and argue how that would be a non sequitur. If you make an actual argument I might agree, but it's not clear what your argument even is.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by catchnear4321 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @08:07AM (#37622532)

> It doesn’t mean it wasn’t “necessary.”

your guess seems anything but wild.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by Etherlord87 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @12:59PM (#37625070)

You are forcing me to guess. Even after I wrote it's not clear what you tried to communicate, you didn't care to elaborate, instead you're trying to force me to provide definitions. That's a ridiculous way to argue.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by catchnear4321 on Saturday September 23, 2023 @04:28PM (#37627180)

the point was the word.

the interpretation is the conversation.

the argument is your construction. end it whenever you wish.

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Re:The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Died by YeGoblynQueenne on Saturday September 23, 2023 @05:41AM (#37621841)

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